The Ninja Superthread

[Pluvia]

I did like 15 runs of t11, going literally 123 123 123 123 with trick attack, cooldowns, and Fuma Shuriken ONLY, with the warrior maintaining Dancing edge, and finished all of them at 590+. in the same situation, doing only side rotation only, a monk does 500. That's the comparison i'm making in favor of positionals for a ninja, considering you could stand at the back the WHOLE fight, and do 20% more than a monk.. Yeah that's pretty strong.

And no MNK isnt #1 DPS. They're all close to equal, but a ninja can do 700 on a dummy with a warrior providing the debuff - the others don't even get close.

I feel like we'd have a lot less issues on these forums if they would just remove dummies. (not saying Odowla does) Whole bunch of people look at the dummy parses and gets all in an uproar all of those pictures and videos of god mode dps for nin are so cherry picked it makes me laugh
I agree with your original post though no we have no clue and no even if they add 1 or 2 additional positionals I just question their choices in utility I guess if your tank is bad in a pug it will be useful but i have never I mean never pulled off a good tank on pull with my opener.

[Odowla]

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Some of them are, but there are a few ninjas who cna do them consistently - For example, Mimo Ko, on my server, can do 660s pretty consistently, and sometimes do 680's. But, for the most part, the runs and posts you see are nit picked and are the "perfect" run. Its why you see a lot of monks saying omg this class sucks now. No, they don't suck, just people don't care to grind out the crit run on a class we already know is strong.

I just don't see the point in bitching about something to bring the job a bit more in line with the others.

[Pluvia]

Some of them are, but there are a few ninjas who cna do them consistently - For example, Mimo Ko, on my server, can do 660s pretty consistently, and sometimes do 680's. But, for the most part, the runs and posts you see are nit picked and are the "perfect" run. Its why you see a lot of monks saying omg this class sucks now. No, they don't suck, just people don't care to grind out the crit run on a class we already know is strong.

I just don't see the point in bitching about something to bring the job a bit more in line with the others.

Oh no doubt i was just hoping they would do something else like i said I'd prefer them to find a better way then just taking the easy way and adding positionals

[Viridiana]

I guess if your tank is bad in a pug it will be useful but i have never I mean never pulled off a good tank on pull with my opener.

You keep going on like there are zero situations where this can be a useful skill. I can think of a number of situations where I could use it, even if there are other things you could do to work nearly as well.

Add spawn that the tank needs snap aggro on? You could rely on just RoH, y'know, if they have it pre-queued for the combo. And if they get to the add before you do. And if their weapon isn't 15-20 ilvls below yours.

One enemy out of a group sitting on the healer instead of on the tank? Good thing you can help convince it to change targets.

Better yet, how about an add that the DPS are expected to pick up and tank? Rather than holding back for a second so that someone can establish aggro (or going all out to get it yourself), you can help solidify their lead and not have the mob playing ping-pong through the DPS (and/or healers).

Or any time there's a tank swap. Rather than having the outgoing tank stand around and try not to retake aggro, you could use this ability to solidify the incoming tank's lead. Or did the WAR use BB right after the PLD did Provoke+RoH? That's okay, because RoH+AE > BB.

Basically, any time you find yourself saying that you should give the other person even 1 second to get aggro, you could be using this utility.

[Pluvia]

You keep going on like there are zero situations where this can be a useful skill. I can think of a number of situations where I could use it, even if there are other things you could do to work nearly as well.

Add spawn that the tank needs snap aggro on? You could rely on just RoH, y'know, if they have it pre-queued for the combo. And if they get to the add before you do. And if their weapon isn't 15-20 ilvls below yours.

One enemy out of a group sitting on the healer instead of on the tank? Good thing you can help convince it to change targets.

Better yet, how about an add that the DPS are expected to pick up and tank? Rather than holding back for a second so that someone can establish aggro (or going all out to get it yourself), you can help solidify their lead and not have the mob playing ping-pong through the DPS (and/or healers).

Or any time there's a tank swap. Rather than having the outgoing tank stand around and try not to retake aggro, you could use this ability to solidify the incoming tank's lead. Or did the WAR use BB right after the PLD did Provoke+RoH? That's okay, because RoH+AE > BB.

Basically, any time you find yourself saying that you should give the other person even 1 second to get aggro, you could be using this utility.

I'm sorry you're correct not totally useless just a higher level of goads uselessness.

[Viridiana]

I'm sorry you're correct not totally useless just a higher level of goads uselessness.

If you think Goad is useless I'm done trying to reason with you. >_>

[Pluvia]

If you think Goad is useless I'm done trying to reason with you. >_>

Never said goad was completely useless its just 1/4 as effective now as it was on release and may become less effective depending how things turn out with monks

[Odowla]

Never said goad was completely useless its just 1/4 as effective now as it was on release and may become less effective depending how things turn out with monks

How is it 1/4 less effective. There's still a bard, still a monk, If you're saying its less useful because you're running out of TP too then, I mean, the amount of damage ninjas were doing for their TP drain was a bit completetly insane.