The Ninja Superthread

[Pluvia]

Don't worry guys sounds like Ninjas are getting positionals and still get to deal with mudra lag AND even better another mostly useless utility spell that lowers threat.

And positional are the best case situation from how the translation sounded.

[Allyrion]

Don't worry guys sounds like Ninjas are getting positionals and still get to deal with mudra lag AND even better another mostly useless utility spell that lowers threat.

And positional are the best case situation from how the translation sounded.

Well, they implied that we can extend Fuuton instead of recasting it.
Taking away one of the 3-mudra casts would be really helpful since that's where you really feel the lag.
I can deal with just Suiton, and positionals aren't a big deal coming from Monk.
More utility is good, but it can't be too useful to make NIN mandatory for just that.

There were some new damage moves in the video that they didn't explain.

[Pluvia]

Well, they implied that we can extend Fuuton instead of recasting it.
Taking away one of the 3-mudra casts would be really helpful since that's where you really feel the lag.
I can deal with just Suiton, and positionals aren't a big deal coming from Monk.
More utility is good, but it can't be too useful to make NIN mandatory for just that.

There were some new damage moves in the video that they didn't explain.

Well lets just hope they balance it well. But i have this feeling its going to be monk or go home for progression all over again.

[Crescent_Dusk]

Well lets just hope they balance it well. But i have this feeling its going to be monk or go home for progression all over again.

lol NIN have been favored over monk for a while and here you are whining about monks. Trick Attack and Goad in addition to similar DPS output without positionals is what put NIN in a category of its own.

Try losing your mudras everytime a boss goes up in the air or you get targeted by a mechanic, then we'll talk. But monks have that oh so "useful' Mantra.

[Pluvia]

lol NIN have been favored over monk for a while and here you are whining about monks. Trick Attack and Goad in addition to similar DPS output without positionals is what put NIN in a category of its own.

Try losing your mudras everytime a boss goes up in the air or you get targeted by a mechanic, then we'll talk. But monks have that oh so "useful' Mantra.

And monks have always been the go too melee for progression and ninja barely does more damage then monk you can't be Dragon kick and 20% mantra for progression. I guess if you tank really sucks(get a new one) the aggro thing will be useful. Also most peoples mudra lag its a dps loss to use raiton so a lot of ninjas are using fuma shuriken so no refreshing Huton really isn't that awsome.

[Viridiana]

And monks have always been the go too melee for progression and ninja barely does more damage then monk you can't be Dragon kick and 20% mantra for progression. I guess if you tank really sucks(get a new one) the aggro thing will be useful. Also most peoples mudra lag its a dps loss to use raiton so a lot of ninjas are using fuma shuriken so no refreshing Huton really isn't that awsome.

You say that like groups don't usually have two melee. Only need one MNK for DK and Mantra.

[Pluvia]

You say that like groups don't usually have two melee. Only need one MNK for DK and Mantra.

Or you know double monk could be the go to thing again. It really isn't an issue to me i can play either well i just prefer not to have 2 melees dancing around and then dancing around aoes and white fires and shit like that to get each other killed.

[Viridiana]

Don't worry guys sounds like Ninjas are getting positionals and still get to deal with mudra lag AND even better another mostly useless utility spell that lowers threat.

Mostly useless? Opening on an add with a 2k TA crit hurts for aggro. If I now have an option to not pull aggro while doing that, I will quite gladly take it. Especially since NIN and MNK currently have no way to manage aggro aside from either not DPSing or dying.

[Azmaria]

Losing aggro on trick attack really should only happen if your tank sucks, as you will want dancing edge up, and getting that up gives them plenty of time to hold aggro. This is all pretty lackluster, and I don't see how we can compete with the tools that other dps are getting. How will our damage scale with them?

[Crescent_Dusk]

Losing aggro on trick attack really should only happen if your tank sucks, as you will want dancing edge up, and getting that up gives them plenty of time to hold aggro. This is all pretty lackluster, and I don't see how we can compete with the tools that other dps are getting. How will our damage scale with them?

You'll essentially get Houton up and then passively keep it up, which means you'll be executing more Raitons in between Suitons now. There's also more skills in the ninja video and you don't know if the new positionals means they will do more damage than they currently do.

Speculating about dps disparities now is stupid and a waste of time.