The Ninja Superthread

[Butcherboy]

So the problem of not being able to use AE is out of the window. Since 30 sec is pretty good for extension more than enought time to do AE combo.

[Arkenne]

It'll be a factor of difference in the NINs' gameplay, yup.

Edit: ... Daily post cap? what the hell kind of c.... okay I'll calm down...

AE never again yay~♪

Well, there is really no reason to use AC when Huton is above 40 seconds.
Running through MU, SF, DE, AE combos once each takes 18 seconds. So alternating does sound viable.

[Aiurily]

seems like it'd always be better to never have to refresh huton via ninjutsu in a 100% uptime fight then. for 2 armor crushes, you lose 80 potency compared to AE, but you get close to a full huton (60s), so in exchange for that, you can do a shuriken or a raiton, which is much more than 80 potency. with a warrior applying eye you could simply alternate AE/AC, then without a warrior, you can alternate DE/AC

[Zamii]

seems like it'd always be better to never have to refresh huton via ninjutsu in a 100% uptime fight then. for 2 armor crushes, you lose 80 potency compared to AE, but you get close to a full huton (60s), so in exchange for that, you can do a shuriken or a raiton, which is much more than 80 potency. with a warrior applying eye you could simply alternate AE/AC, then without a warrior, you can alternate DE/AC

i was starting to wonder how long it would take for someone to point that out, some people really dont seem the have their theorycrafting pants on today, to much hype rotting their brains :P

[Hivernica]

So in the end, we only need to cast Huton at the start, then never again?

[Alahra]

So in the end, we only need to cast Huton at the start, then never again?

That is what it seems like. I'm no good at mapping out rotations but as long as we get in two of the Huton refresh in every minute or so, we should be good and not need to refresh it (unless it falls off during a phase jump or something).

[Zamii]

That is what it seems like. I'm no good at mapping out rotations but as long as we get in two of the Huton refresh in every minute or so, we should be good and not need to refresh it (unless it falls off during a phase jump or something).

huton will probably end up being refreshed via ninjutsu during downtime, but the best min/maxers will be able to work out where to fit in extra aoeliean edges to the rotation since huton wont need to be refreshed, will add quite a good level in skill to be the best nin.

[Viridiana]

So, someone on another site pointed out something about Duality that restores my hope for it. We know it says that "Combo bonuses and additional effects" only apply once. But, if we use, say, Shadow Fang as an example, the only "Combo Bonus" for Shadow Fang is the dot component. The additional potency is listed under "Combo Potency." A literal combined reading, then, would say that we get the combo potency both times, but the dot only once.

[ViktorMestrovic]

After checking our tool tips.. I see that AE is only a potency of 100.... therefore, would it not be wiser to use Duality with spinning edge, as it has a potency of 150? Given that it's not going to hit for the combo potency at all and probably won't interrupt comboing into gust slash... everything else has a non-combo potency of 100.

[Viridiana]

After checking our tool tips.. I see that AE is only a potency of 100.... therefore, would it not be wiser to use Duality with spinning edge, as it has a potency of 150? Given that it's not going to hit for the combo potency at all and probably won't interrupt comboing into gust slash... everything else has a non-combo potency of 100.

Read my post right above yours. Combo Potency and Combo Bonus are listed as two different things. Duality says we don't get the Combo Bonus, but is silent on Combo Potency. Ergo, we most likely get the Combo Potency.

Besides, I seriously doubt SE would give us a level 58 skill that's objectively weaker than our level 15 skill.