The Ninja Superthread

[Allyrion]

Well, no one's responded to the questions yet but I want to ask another one anyway.

I've read it's more damage to put up the slashing debuff before dots. So debuffs affect dots.
Now I know that dots snapshot buffs. Is the same true for debuffs?

Now this isn't really important for the slashing debuff since you try to always keep up.
It is relevant for Trick Attack's Vulnerability Up debuff though. Can I snapshot that debuff on a dot?
If not, it seems like a waste to refresh dots within that window.
If it snapshots, it'd be a increase if they happen to line up. If it doesn't, it might be better to Trick Attack after you just refreshed your dots so that you get more direct attacks in.

So does anyone know if dots snapshot Vulnerability Up particularly?

[Dervy]

Debuffs like -% Slashing/Piercing DO NOT affect DoTs. You put them before hand however, as they buff the initial attack of said DoT, plus a myriad of other reasons.

Vulnerability does affect DoTs afaik as it just increases their damage taken. It doesn't reduce their stats.

[Kholdy]

How do I play Ninja with trash? I know my rotation well and can put up good numbers on bosses, but I'm still getting beat every time there's a trash pull.

Doton seems to be hit or miss, depending on if the trash will die fast or slow. Should I be using Shadow Fang + Mutilate on all enemies of that pull, or should I be focusing my main rotation on a single enemy? Should I be using Death Blossom?

[Kanemano]

If you're with another strong aoe dps (blm), and the trash pulls are massive:
Pre-Huton during the pull (time so ninjutsu is up before the trash is completely gathered), then Internal Release + Blood for Blood while running up to the trash pile > Katon > Kassatsu > Katon > Death Blossom spam (weave in off GCD attacks when up between Death Blossom, invigorate at <600 tp) is what I do. This is easily sustainable when trash pulls are super pulls that are no more than 2 encounters before a boss. If the other dps is good, you sometimes don't even need invigorate.

If you're running with a weaker aoe dps (depends on other player skill/gear), you may want to replace the Kassatsu Katon with Kassatsu Doton, as the ticks are affected by Kassatsu force crit afaik. The longer trash encounter better utilizes Doton uptime, but typically I find that if this is the case, you're likely to be more tp starved during the next pull (if 2-pull before boss), since you expend more tp because of the longer trash encounter.

If you're bottoming out on tp and the trash mobs are not yet dead, you're probably better off not doing big pulls, and likely more efficient single targeting smaller groups. It's pointless to grab big groups if you can't aoe them down quickly, which is a mistake I see a lot of people do.

[Pluvia]

Don't worry guys sounds like Ninjas are getting positionals and still get to deal with mudra lag AND even better another mostly useless utility spell that lowers threat.

And positional are the best case situation from how the translation sounded.

[Allyrion]

Don't worry guys sounds like Ninjas are getting positionals and still get to deal with mudra lag AND even better another mostly useless utility spell that lowers threat.

And positional are the best case situation from how the translation sounded.

Well, they implied that we can extend Fuuton instead of recasting it.
Taking away one of the 3-mudra casts would be really helpful since that's where you really feel the lag.
I can deal with just Suiton, and positionals aren't a big deal coming from Monk.
More utility is good, but it can't be too useful to make NIN mandatory for just that.

There were some new damage moves in the video that they didn't explain.

[Pluvia]

Well, they implied that we can extend Fuuton instead of recasting it.
Taking away one of the 3-mudra casts would be really helpful since that's where you really feel the lag.
I can deal with just Suiton, and positionals aren't a big deal coming from Monk.
More utility is good, but it can't be too useful to make NIN mandatory for just that.

There were some new damage moves in the video that they didn't explain.

Well lets just hope they balance it well. But i have this feeling its going to be monk or go home for progression all over again.

[Crescent_Dusk]

Well lets just hope they balance it well. But i have this feeling its going to be monk or go home for progression all over again.

lol NIN have been favored over monk for a while and here you are whining about monks. Trick Attack and Goad in addition to similar DPS output without positionals is what put NIN in a category of its own.

Try losing your mudras everytime a boss goes up in the air or you get targeted by a mechanic, then we'll talk. But monks have that oh so "useful' Mantra.

[Pluvia]

lol NIN have been favored over monk for a while and here you are whining about monks. Trick Attack and Goad in addition to similar DPS output without positionals is what put NIN in a category of its own.

Try losing your mudras everytime a boss goes up in the air or you get targeted by a mechanic, then we'll talk. But monks have that oh so "useful' Mantra.

And monks have always been the go too melee for progression and ninja barely does more damage then monk you can't be Dragon kick and 20% mantra for progression. I guess if you tank really sucks(get a new one) the aggro thing will be useful. Also most peoples mudra lag its a dps loss to use raiton so a lot of ninjas are using fuma shuriken so no refreshing Huton really isn't that awsome.

[Viridiana]

Don't worry guys sounds like Ninjas are getting positionals and still get to deal with mudra lag AND even better another mostly useless utility spell that lowers threat.

Mostly useless? Opening on an add with a 2k TA crit hurts for aggro. If I now have an option to not pull aggro while doing that, I will quite gladly take it. Especially since NIN and MNK currently have no way to manage aggro aside from either not DPSing or dying.