The Ninja Superthread

[KroLeXz]

give me!! preeez

[Ephier]

I just did a rough estimate as he said way lower, and pushed SS down to 1.60 in weight, the only pieces that are crafted after that are head and belt.

[Odowla]

I just did a rough estimate as he said way lower, and pushed SS down to 1.60 in weight, the only pieces that are crafted after that are head and belt.

I put it at 0.14 on Ariyala and just did a 130 calc, only thing thats different is the bracelet pretty much.

[Dervy]

WD: 9.085
STR/DEX: 1.000
DET: 0.313
CRT: 0.226
SS: 0.148

Copied from the post in the DRG thread I just made:

One issue was was that in a full Ninja rotation cycle, which lasts around 88s btw (SS impacts it), my model was calculating 1 Huton, 1 Suiton and 3 Ration, when that's inaccurate. Its would be 1 Huton, 2 Suiton and 2 Ration. Suiton has a larger average GDC clip than a Ration, so that affects it quite considerably. If we were to have absolutely 0 GDC clipping on Mudras, the SS weighting goes up to 0.181.

The next issue was how I was originally calculating DoT clipping. I was speaking to MrYaah about it for a while and we both agreed that how I now do it is more representative of how DoTs work in this game (Also thanks to Sunny!) My model would assume that if you reapplied a DoT by 0.01, it would clip an entire tick, when that isn't really the case. DoTs are on a 3s global Timer, not an internal ability timer. Therefore, each time your skillspeed is increased, there's a higher chance you'll clip one tick of damage. Clipping let's say Phlebotomize 1.5s left into its duration would be a 50/50 chance of clipping a DoT tick, so we needed to model it completely different.

Thus, SS weighting for all jobs (Except monk, lol) decreased. The largest impact was the Bard. It's weighting on SS fell from 0.161 to 0.110 lol

The Ninjitsu casts change a lot depending on how far you're into combat, but that's approximately what will happen. If someone has any questions, I'd gladly discuss and see if there's improvements that can be made.

Bard and Nin are so freaking hard to model

[Ephier]

I put it at 0.14 on Ariyala and just did a 130 calc, only thing thats different is the bracelet pretty much.

Things change if you have crafted gear as some of them are still decent, such as the two I mentioned.

[EticeXI]

quick question regarding gear progression for nin, I recently started play earlier this month and currently i'm sitting at ilvl108ish, looking for the ideal order in which to get my poetics gear.

I currently have all 110 soldiery gear with the exception of Body and Legs being from WoD.

I was originally planning on buying Poetics Body > Rings > legs but of course WoD dropped body and legs for me, is it still worth going in that order or should I look into upgrading head/feet/hands with poetics first? Any help would be great, thanks!

[Antwan]

Doton is also a useful Limit Gain move when used in tangent with Kassastu since every tick of Doton will then therefor crit and add to the limit gauge, that means for extremely long boss battles where you have the time to spend gaining limit you can use Doton in your rotation, though this would decrease your overall DPS for a time if you opt for limit gain over using that Kassastu with a Raikon on Fuma. Tested it a few weeks back with FC, this SHOULD mean that Shadow Fang and Mutilation should also effect the LB Gauge when they crit on a DoT, but that was something I forgot to test that day.

Also what's the math that's needed in order to calculate what each .001 point of a stat corralates to 1 actual point in-game?

[MrCookTM]

quick question regarding gear progression for nin, I recently started play earlier this month and currently i'm sitting at ilvl108ish, looking for the ideal order in which to get my poetics gear.

I currently have all 110 soldiery gear with the exception of Body and Legs being from WoD.

I was originally planning on buying Poetics Body > Rings > legs but of course WoD dropped body and legs for me, is it still worth going in that order or should I look into upgrading head/feet/hands with poetics first? Any help would be great, thanks!

Depends on if you're going to have access to final coil or not. Fcob will be farmable from March 31st onwards and all BiS pieces except for the ring drop in the first two turns, which would include hands, feet, belt (if you need the accuracy) and earring in turn 1 and headpiece and bracelet (if you're capped on acc) in turn 2. Good/BiS poe pieces are chest, pants, feet (if you need the acc), choker, obviously ring, so these are the pieces you should look at anyway. If you're not going to run fcob or plan to participate in endgame raiding content, seriously just get the whole poe set and upgrade it piece by piece, starting with the pieces you're still sitting on i110. WoD belt is very good even if you have access to fcob so you might just use that one. If you have lots of gil and are willing to spend them, crafted headpiece and belt are BiS, but that's more for the ones that want so squeeze the most out of their job.

[treuhavik]

Updated OP with new stat weights & removed old gear sets. I'll work on getting new sets up there a little later.

[Akiza]

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