The Ninja Superthread

[Best-MNK-NA]

How useful is SS as a stat? Should i try and have as little as possible? Is 447 too high?

It's the worst dps stat but it's still pretty good, you can see the stat weights on the first page. Don't worry about your current skillspeed being too high as long as you aren't actively seeking it out or giving up crit or god forbid skill speed for it. SS gets bad when your TP management is impossible even with a BRD singing paeon frequently which isn't really possible with current gear. I'm at 427 SS currently, and while it's higher than my final build will be, it doesn't bother me at all and I get a fun 1.95s GCD with selene buff up.

[FyrmurlFloerasksyn]

It's the worst dps stat but it's still pretty good, you can see the stat weights on the first page. Don't worry about your current skillspeed being too high as long as you aren't actively seeking it out or giving up crit or god forbid skill speed for it. SS gets bad when your TP management is impossible even with a BRD singing paeon frequently which isn't really possible with current gear. I'm at 427 SS currently, and while it's higher than my final build will be, it doesn't bother me at all and I get a fun 1.95s GCD with selene buff up.

Oh ok. Thanks for the tips. http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/P5BF is my gear. Is my SS too high? I do about 480-510 depending on latency.

[Best-MNK-NA]

Oh ok. Thanks for the tips. http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/P5BF is my gear. Is my SS too high? I do about 480-510 depending on latency.

As I said: "Don't worry about your current skillspeed being too high as long as you aren't actively seeking it out or giving up crit or god forbid skill speed for it." It's still a solid dps boost.

If that's dummy dps for that gear it seems good. Compared to me I've got about 68.747 worth of dex more stats than you (1454.4 dex overall vs your 1385.653) and do 575 or so as I've said. Your melds aren't quite ideal on any slot and you also have way more accuracy than you'd ever need - as a quick fix I'd swap that Auroral Ring for a Judgement Ring or switch to Shiva's bracelet.

While maybe not the cost since you've already melded your gear, you could get +1 crit and +3 accuracy on your hat, +9 skillspeed on your chest, +9 accuracy on your belt, +8 more det (at the cost of 3 crit) on pants, and +6 crit and +9 skill speed (at the cost of 6 accuracy) on boots if you switched the melds up. It's super expensive, granted, but that is overall +4 crit, +8 det, +18 skillspeed, and +15 accuracy you're missing out on. That's about 7.1 dexterity worth of secondary stats. Just something to keep in mind is all.

[FyrmurlFloerasksyn]

If that's dummy dps for that gear it seems good. Compared to me I've got about 68.747 worth of dex more stats than you (1454.4 dex overall vs your 1385.653) and do 575 or so as I've said. Your melds aren't quite ideal on any slot and you also have way more accuracy than you'd ever need - as a quick fix I'd swap that Auroral Ring for a Judgement Ring or switch to Shiva's bracelet.

Ohhh ok. I've been avoiding farming ramuh for that since it adds SS lol. Thanks alot. So by that logic, would it be fine to add in ramuh ring AND shiva bracelet? Ariyala site says to, but just seeing what you think.

[Odowla]

Skillspeed might suck, but it really only sucks for TP loss. your main stat is too good to pass up in most instances, ecept in crafted gear, for the most part.

[juniglee]

Ohhh ok. I've been avoiding farming ramuh for that since it adds SS lol. Thanks alot. So by that logic, would it be fine to add in ramuh ring AND shiva bracelet? Ariyala site says to, but just seeing what you think.

Fairly certain that, as long as you hit your required accuracy caps for whatever content you are planning on doing, and it's the highest available item level available to your level (according to Ariyala, Ramuh rings are i110 - I didn't even notice it was buffed), it should be fine.

[Haskoth]

ninja dps is par with monk. me and my static monk tried 3 mins parse and I always win.
However in real fight, ninja has harder time to stabilize dps. Our burst damage come from combining buff,njnjutsu, and normal rotation together. While in longer fight some benefit from combining buffs is lost and other factors such as mudra lag.

On the other hand, my monk is happy with trick attack boost up his dps by 10-20 in T13

SoI just finished T13 with 460 dps while the mnk was around 500

I usualy try to have 580+ cri so that avg cri is around 25%
500 cri is only around 20% real fight. Big dps difference.

[KroLeXz]

Latency plays a big role - so I originally posted a 600 dps parse on my ninja a few pages back.... well recently I got battleping and wow, so much better!

http://www.twitch.tv/krolexz_tk/c/5875338

[FyrmurlFloerasksyn]

Latency plays a big role - so I originally posted a 600 dps parse on my ninja a few pages back.... well recently I got battleping and wow, so much better!

http://www.twitch.tv/krolexz_tk/c/5875338

BP really is a lifesaver. A pity your latency is so much better than mine, so i will never do as much dps as you, but imagine without battleping lol.

[PenutButter]

Skillspeed might suck, but it really only sucks for TP loss. your main stat is too good to pass up in most instances, ecept in crafted gear, for the most part.

TP is NOT the reason why SS sucks for Ninja. Like I've said many times before, in situations where you're gonna have TP issues, you're gonna TP issues, SS does NOT change that by any significant amount.

The REAL reason why SS sucks for Ninja is because it makes your Ninjutsu less efficient. The efficiency of your Ninjutsu is determined by your global divided by the amount of time you cut into your global. Doing this will tell you how many globals are lost due to the cutting. SS both reduce your global AND it increases the amount of time you cut into your global (due to you getting your global back faster), making it a double whammy. Yea SS really sucks, avoid it at all cost; its probably almost as bad as Spell Speed is for SMN.

In fact, if you have too much SS or take too long to cast Raiton, it may entirely be better to use Fuma Shuriken instead. The calculations for when Fuma is better is simple so I won't spell it out.