The Ninja Superthread

[AlwaysRIGHT]

So we reduce downtime to fill the gap of their personal emnity control. If you have a competent tank you never lose aggro. I use Shadewalker on beggining of fights and then maybe if i have cd's and we go into a burst phase. it converts ONE tank combo from a threat combo to a dps combo and all in all adds like 1000 damage NOT DPS damage to our group which is about 2.77 dps over 6 minutes. Its great really i dont think we would meet dps checks without my new emnity moves.

[silentwindfr]

What do you think Shadewalker does?

you don't read, right? smoke bomb is redundant and a useless capacity, shadewalker is doing the same in better. shorter CD and with the ninja enmity it's easy to make the tank not loose enmity

Except that we aren't lone warriors, at any point.

we are a lone warrior, we are the scout, we like you say fight from shadows.... our goal is to get ride of the pest that can bother the other. a good example from the quest of the ninja, when we help yuki-hime to escape and pull the enemy far away and get ride of them.

Until the mob you're on dies and the BLM pulls hate doing AOE on the next pack in A2.

you know that black mage have access to a reduction of enmity skill? from the archer.... like summoner and machinist.

you are defending something that are not good by design.... but well be my guest.

[Viridiana]

you don't read, right? smoke bomb is redundant and a useless capacity, shadewalker is doing the same in better. shorter CD and with the ninja enmity it's easy to make the tank not loose enmity

Because DPS never focus different targets, ever. Nevermind that this is totally a thing that happens constantly. Me giving one of the two tanks my aggro isn't going to help the BLM who's about to pull aggro on the other mob from the other tank. Sure is a good thing that the BLM used his Quelling Strikes on the last group of mobs when he was going full AOE! Oh wait. . .

we are a lone warrior

Citation needed. Only rarely have we or the other NIN we know ever fought as lone warriors. Almost every time I've seen any NIN fight in FFXIV it's been as part of a group.

we like you say fight from shadows.... our goal is to get ride of the pest that can bother the other. a good example from the quest of the ninja, when we help yuki-hime to escape and pull the enemy far away and get ride of them.

Yes, as part of a group working together. Not as a lone warrior.

you know that black mage have access to a reduction of enmity skill? from the archer.... like summoner and machinist.

Nope, I mained BRD for a year and a half without ever seeing that BLM shows up on the list of jobs able to use Quelling, and then leveled BLM to get the relic without ever realizing that Quelling is one of the, like, 4 abilities BLM can get from cross-classing.

Sarcasm aside, you realize it's a 2 minute CD, right?

you are defending something that are not good by design.... but well be my guest.

I'm not saying it's perfect or anything, I'm just tired of hearing people complain about skills being useless just because we don't yet have fights where they're able to perform to their potential (barring poor tanks or just plain gear differentials).

[Lise]

Thanks for your answers. I'm almost level 45 so I'll push a little and see how the 3rd mudra goes with that ping.
In any case, I think I'll have to make a macro and say something like "please excuse me for my high latency" every time I join a party Dodging stuff can also be tricky.

Update:
Casting fûton / doton / suiton with fûton buff: between 2.4 and 2.7 seconds loss.
Casting fûton / doton / suiton without fûton buff: between 2.1 and 2.4 seconds loss.

What's weird is that occasionally I get perfect queuing. It's just... Random.

[Firana]

Hey guys, I have made updates to my Ninja video guides.

Here is a link to the old guide (2.4):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjlmnKtGGbw

And the new updated guide (3.0):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqBBlq59pj0

[Zahalith]

Hey Firana!
Thanks for posting your video, though you switched to SMN.
Looked up to you a lot in your 2.0 NIN.

and to the Superthread, what secondary stat have you found best so far for NIN now that DET has been nerfed?
I still don't know what NIN should be doing with Skillspeed either.

2.0 was ACC til cap>DET>CRIT>SS, however in 3.0, I feel it might shift to ACC til cap>CRIT>DET>SS
I am no math junky, and don't have all the gear to test, would love to hear discussion on this.

[Dervy]

CRIT > DET > SS is the 3.0 meta for nearly all jobs now.

[Viridiana]

Y'all remember that there's a new NIN thread, right?