The Ninja Superthread

[Viridiana]

So whats the news on skillspeed v crit v det on Ninja?

Same as it is on every other class. If you want to know how they compare, we first need to know how they scale. We don't yet, because we all have a divided focus.

[Allyrion]

I don't think the parsers have updated for those changes yet either.

[Allyrion]

The best part about Armor Crush is its flexibility.
There's no loss of dps if you use it under 40s left of Fuuton.

Like I said before, it's good to keep that buffer of 20-30s for fight mechanics or any mess-ups.
You can also let it drain a bit more and get AE in if you're in a burn phase or you know the fight well enough to be sure you'll have time to extend it.

So I don't think we should make hard and fast rules about when to extend Fuuton.
That doesn't give value to Armor Crush's excellent flexibility.
Anytime after the 40s mark is acceptable, and you can adjust based on the fight and even more importantly - buffs.

Obviously, if you do it over 40s then you won't get the full 30s it's meant to give you.
So I guess it goes without saying not to do it if you have over 40s left. But I said it anyway!

[Arkenne]

Armor Crush Flexibility

Yup, gotta agree with that, it is a very flexible skill. No real need to use it over 40s Huton (unless mob is dying right there).

Looking at MNK, DRG, BLM and BRD. We really got lucky in the flexibility department, huh?

[Aiurily]

aaa i wish i could hit dummies to practice, but mudra lag in open world is like 500x worse atm

[AlphaDragoon]

I feel physical pain when I have to do anything without Armor Crush now. That move is the game changer for Ninjas, it feels like it should have been there in the first place.

[Sleigh]

Any i190 NINs out there testing on dummies? I think I have a general feel for what most classes put out except NIN (and AST but whatever). NIN's looking so strong right now, with how easy they convert into real fights over almost everyone, and if they're putting out numbers like ARR NIN then look out other melee.

[AlphaDragoon]

Any i190 NINs out there testing on dummies? I think I have a general feel for what most classes put out except NIN (and AST but whatever). NIN's looking so strong right now, with how easy they convert into real fights over almost everyone, and if they're putting out numbers like ARR NIN then look out other melee.

I can't find anyone putting up test damage of fully geared NINs anywhere. Like you see it for literally every other class but none of the geared NINs seem to do the same.

[Aiurily]

Any i190 NINs out there testing on dummies? I think I have a general feel for what most classes put out except NIN (and AST but whatever). NIN's looking so strong right now, with how easy they convert into real fights over almost everyone, and if they're putting out numbers like ARR NIN then look out other melee.

around 1150+ on a 3m ish parse is what i got. so the lowest of the three melee in sustain, but low maintenance in comparison

their dps should increase a bit more than drg/mnk when skillspeed changes to dots are recorded, since nins have the most potency from their dots (unless you're comparing vs fracture monk).

[CBellz]

Any i190 NINs out there testing on dummies? I think I have a general feel for what most classes put out except NIN (and AST but whatever). NIN's looking so strong right now, with how easy they convert into real fights over almost everyone, and if they're putting out numbers like ARR NIN then look out other melee.

This is definitely true, the amount of flexibility AC allows in our rotation is insane. I can easily be flexible with my rotation and opt to DE/AC during Ravana's "seeing" mechanics and lose minimal dps compared to MNK/DRG. We are also able to get right back in it after downtime because we can precast huton or save a suiton to start with a trick attack right off the bat.