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    Quote Originally Posted by Cairdeas View Post
    Lore of the gods doesn't answer scientifically whats going on up in space.

    If it did, we'd use the bible as empirical evidence everywhere.
    I guess that's technically true from a "real world" perspective.

    But this is a fictional world in a videogame, and for that argument to hold much weight you would need to first assume that the creators of this game have decided to outright lie to us about the world they created in the form of established lore and background. I would say the likelihood of this is very low.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inaaca View Post
    Hydaelyn has twin moons. The lore of Menphina, the lover (one of the Twelve) confirms this.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cairdeas View Post
    Lore of the gods doesn't answer scientifically whats going on up in space.

    If it did, we'd use the bible as empirical evidence everywhere.
    Quote Originally Posted by Inaaca View Post
    I guess that's technically true from a "real world" perspective.

    But this is a fictional world in a videogame, and for that argument to hold much weight you would need to first assume that the creators of this game have decided to outright lie to us about the world they created in the form of established lore and background. I would say the likelihood of this is very low.
    And in this fictional world it's totally possible that the inhabitants always believed the 2nd moon to be a moon, but may later find out that it is actually something else.. Like a planet, (or meteor).
    What Cairdeas said makes sense.
    In the lore they're only called moons because the people living on the planet believe them to be moons. They could be wrong. Even with the lore this would make sense. I hope I explained this well enough.

    As an example.. we've called Pluto a planet for so long. Now we're being told "oops, we were wrong, it's actually something else." It's not unrealistic to believe that the same could happen in a fictional world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nabiri View Post
    And in this fictional world it's totally possible that the inhabitants always believed the 2nd moon to be a moon, but may later find out that it is actually something else.. Like a planet, (or meteor).
    What Cairdeas said makes sense.
    In the lore they're only called moons because the people living on the planet believe them to be moons. They could be wrong. Even with the lore this would make sense. I hope I explained this well enough.

    As an example.. we've called Pluto a planet for so long. Now we're being told "oops, we were wrong, it's actually something else." It's not unrealistic to believe that the same could happen in a fictional world.
    Never said it was impossible or unrealistic, just very unlikely, that they would falsify this kind of information.

    From the perspective of a game designer, I don't think they would build the entire basis for an important deity on a chunk of lore that isn't even true to begin with.
    I also don't think they would present false information about the basics of the world we're in, when all they've been doing lately in quests is trying to give us more concrete information and/or lore about it.

    Also, as far as the Meteor theory, I think this is likely and doesn't conflict with the twin moons, considering a meteor that's been orbiting Hydaelyn can still technically be considered a moon (or satellite, I suppose).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inaaca View Post
    Never said it was impossible or unrealistic, just very unlikely, that they would falsify this kind of information.

    From the perspective of a game designer, I don't think they would build the entire basis for an important deity on a chunk of lore that isn't even true to begin with.
    I also don't think they would present false information about the basics of the world we're in, when all they've been doing lately in quests is trying to give us more concrete information and/or lore about it.

    Also, as far as the Meteor theory, I think this is likely and doesn't conflict with the twin moons, considering a meteor that's been orbiting Hydaelyn can still technically be considered a moon (or satellite, I suppose).
    You haven't played very many SE games have you? They tend to spend the first half of the game slamming the same rules at you over and over and over again until you get comfortable and then BAMF* All of a Sudden, YOUR the bad guy and you just kill and entire civilization of people. (lolnier)
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    I have to thank Square-Enix for the amazing job they have done recreating Final Fantasy XIV from Scratch. Especially the inclusion of Missing Genders which we petitioned for in good faith. This was proof to us players that the Developers are truly Sympathetic to our requests and that being honest and vocal can pay off with the amazing characters we have who are Female Roegadyn, Male Miqote, and Female Highlanders. Thank You SE, Thank You Community Team, Thank You Yoshi-P.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cairdeas View Post
    (lolnier)
    Nier was an awesome game!

    (the JP PS3 version, of course. not the Huge McUgly version).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sav View Post
    Nier was an awesome game!

    (the JP PS3 version, of course. not the Huge McUgly version).
    It indeed was a great game. Though I think it would have done better as a whole if they had unified the game across all platforms and just made it so you picked at the beginning if you wanted to play young or old Nier.
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    I have to thank Square-Enix for the amazing job they have done recreating Final Fantasy XIV from Scratch. Especially the inclusion of Missing Genders which we petitioned for in good faith. This was proof to us players that the Developers are truly Sympathetic to our requests and that being honest and vocal can pay off with the amazing characters we have who are Female Roegadyn, Male Miqote, and Female Highlanders. Thank You SE, Thank You Community Team, Thank You Yoshi-P.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cairdeas View Post
    You haven't played very many SE games have you? They tend to spend the first half of the game slamming the same rules at you over and over and over again until you get comfortable and then BAMF* All of a Sudden, YOUR the bad guy and you just kill and entire civilization of people. (lolnier)
    This is an MMORPG...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TirionCrey View Post
    This is an MMORPG...
    FFXI

    Half the story given to you at the beginning in XI and XI:RoTZ is actually False, and the truth revealed in COP.

    lol sorry "This is an MMORPG" isn't a great argument point.

    MMORPG's break lore more often then any other game anyway.
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    I have to thank Square-Enix for the amazing job they have done recreating Final Fantasy XIV from Scratch. Especially the inclusion of Missing Genders which we petitioned for in good faith. This was proof to us players that the Developers are truly Sympathetic to our requests and that being honest and vocal can pay off with the amazing characters we have who are Female Roegadyn, Male Miqote, and Female Highlanders. Thank You SE, Thank You Community Team, Thank You Yoshi-P.

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