Thread: Keeper of The Lake 2.5 Dungeon

Originally Posted by Reiryuu

Personally, I'd rather have *new* dungeons with extreme mechanics rather than the same old dungeons with extreme mechanics, but maybe I'm just crazy...

I'm okay with that. Put these ones in the past and Heavensward Dungeons offering multiple end-game difficulties.

As long as the option is there... tired of the jokishly easy 4-man's.

Yes, I know I can strip off my gear to the minimum ilvl but that does very little for a seasoned MMO'er... mechanically, they're all still very easy.

Originally Posted by Nestama

It's not because we're overgeared, it's because he's oversimplified (dodge AoE's, stand behind stalactite, repeat). Yeti and Wandil are harder than Fenrir.

Originally Posted by BigPapaSmurf

No, mechanically he's a joke.

You hide behind a crystal approx. 3 times & that's the whole fight.

Statistically, there's some merit there, but a lot of SE's dungeon boss mechanics are weak... 1-2 per often per boss.

A lot of Siren's, the Captain's and Zu's difficulty came from hp% based add spawn triggers. To much DpS made the fights harder, not easier, due to having adds or hatching eggs at the wrong times. A group of i90s doing Pharos Sirus could very well wipe themselves even when otherwise doing the mechanics perfectly because of boss timers get out of sync with the add groups. Dogs spawning when the large AoE zones were up, only breaking one hatching egg still causes Zu to enrage because stacks have failed to fall of, and the binding Zombies spawning right before Siren jumps.

Fenrir seems oversimplified because the Iciclies/Lunar Cry are on a Timer and you can't get mechanic overlap. Several of Fenrir's mechanics are also ignorable because of how well characters are geared.

Originally Posted by CYoung187

Better have a new demon wall that is actually difficult!

Please.

Has thou forgotten ye old pre nerf amdapor keep df runs?

I would usually get over 5 join in progress slots for healer due to ppl rage quitting on demon wall cuz
1) dps too low
2) failing mechanics
3) derp moments
4) bees, just dem bees
" lb the left bee and we'll dps right"

Hope tht the new stuff/ boss can be of siren difficulty!

Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

Has thou forgotten ye old pre nerf amdapor keep df runs?

I would usually get over 5 join in progress slots for healer due to ppl rage quitting on demon wall cuz
1) dps too low
2) failing mechanics
3) derp moments
4) bees, just dem bees
" lb the left bee and we'll dps right"

Hope tht the new stuff/ boss can be of siren difficulty!

The best part of the dungeon was that people failed it. Yes, please. Give us difficulty back.

There is datamined dialogue for 2.5 cutscenes already. While the text is missing, the actors are there, Midgardsormr being one of them, suggesting that he's more than a dungeon boss (can see him being the 2.5 HM/EX trial fight). Can see this working like Snowcloak, a main story dungeon that you need to clear in order to make way for the main enemy, in this case, Midgardsormr.

Fenrir and Catoblepas I think the reason why Americans might see these as iconic "summons" is because of the games that came out in america first 1/4/5/6. In both 5 and 6 Catoblepas was a summon, in 6/9/11 Fenrir was a summon.

Catoblepas however was an enemy in pretty much every other FF title.

Similar to Diabolos a summon in 6/8/11 it's easy to see why we may see these summons as iconic when in reality the "iconic" summons are based on FF3 Ifrit-Titan-Garuda-Leviathan-Ramuh-Shiva, and then Odin/Bahamut. Odin and Bahamut are always seen as special cases because Odin's move is usually an instant kill strike while Bahamut is heavy dmg non-elemental AOE.

I guess long story short, what most people see as "iconic" summons is just a case of nostalgia, we grew up on 1-4-5-6-7-8-9 think it wasn't til a bit after 10 where we finally saw 2 and then even longer til we saw 3 via the ds remake.

Originally Posted by Airget

FF3 Ifrit-Titan-Garuda-Leviathan-Ramuh-Shiva, and then Odin/Bahamut.

Garuda was actually a boss in FFIII. FFXI is the only Final Fantasy Garuda has ever been a summon. I'm totally being that guy right now.

Well unlike Diabolos and Fenrir (and Kraken), Siren was actually a challenging fight. As for her existence, well... she's a race. Possibly was the last of her kind (wiped out by the Lominsians, for obvious reasons).

Originally Posted by Nestama

Well unlike Diabolos and Fenrir (and Kraken), Siren was actually a challenging fight. As for her existence, well... she's a race. Possibly was the last of her kind (wiped out by the Lominsians, for obvious reasons).

Hey they can't be having their ships crash on rocks can you imagine how much money Limsa would lose. How ever there wer 3 sirens in 1.0 that wer a part of the blacksmith quest but they were in the form of the 5 races.

Originally Posted by Dererk

Hey they can't be having their ships crash on rocks can you imagine how much money Limsa would lose. How ever there wer 3 sirens in 1.0 that wer a part of the blacksmith quest but they were in the form of the 5 races.

That was a girls music group.
They used a microphone the one blacksmith created after he fought against sirens on a ship.