I am Pro-Cash Shop

[FateAudax]

Hmm.. I'm not really pro-cash shop but the entitlement attitude of the people who the opposes cash shop really irks me due to a few reasons:

1. Just because FFXIV:ARR is a Pay-2-Pay game doesn't mean it cannot have a cash shop for vanity items.
2. Paying subscription does not automatically gives you the right to everything. It's just a fee to access the game servers.
3. Entitlement attitude in general is really condescending and disgusting.

I am okay with the cash shop as long as it's not gating real game contents/progression behind a paywall such as:

1. Quests/Storyline
2. Contents such as Dungeons/Events/Zones. (Eternal Bond as an event is not gated but the extra fluff is gated. However, it's just fluff. Get over it).
3. Gears which contains stats.
4. EXP/Crafting/Etc Boosters of any kind which gives an advantage to players.
5. Other advantages such as movespeed.

Solely vanity items are alright to be in cash shop. Personal achievement such as "must have all the mounts/minions" are not counted as core gaming/progression.

[Monty]

Solely vanity items are alright to be in cash shop. Personal achievement such as "must have all the mounts/minions" are not counted as core gaming/progression.

It's not core gaming to you, but to others it's a huge part of their game. There's a reason why when a certain mount drops from X primal everyone loses their mind and yells "MINE!". a) it sells for a whole lotta gil and b) people enjoy collecting.

[Nalien]

1. Quests/Storyline
2. Contents such as Dungeons/Events/Zones.

Those two points right there? That is why I'm against the cash shop as it currently stands.

No, they haven't gated such content behind the cash shop. Worse, we've lost potential for such content because they opted to put items exclusively in the cash shop, instead of as rewards in game.

Perhaps they'll use the profits from the cash shop to tailor such quests and let everyone enjoy the content eventually, and that'd be great. Issue then is one of transparency. If 2.5 comes around with an Odin EX Trial, made with funds from the cash shop, with a low chance for Sleipnir to drop, just like the rest of the Primals, we'd go from seeing people complaining about the cash shop, to people who payed $15 for a horse complaining about being mislead.

It isn't even an issue of "Well we wouldn't have the minions at all then". Plenty of minions were in the game at launch (as was Sleipnir) and they slowly got phased in with new content (Blue Bird, Wind-up Goblin, Tender Lamb, to name a few). When they make a minion they don't have to instantly find a way to put it in game, if there is no quest/achievement/whatever they can reward it to instantly, they can just wait until there is. If they want to add something, they should ask themselves "What should this be a reward for?", not "How much can we charge for this on Mog Station?". I'd be perfectly OK however, if they said "This will be a reward as a very rare drop from X, and we'll also let people buy it off Mog Station if they want to skip the grind". Nobody would use the cash shop then? Sure they would. People who are annoyed tend to make poor decisions. People who are farming Odin EX for Sleipnir and see it go to a DRG who ate dirt all fight one too many times get very annoyed.

[Drako]

Wasn't there a couple "I like cash shop" threads already, I forget. Personally doesn't matter much to me so long as it never goes P2W. I won't spend money in there because I have more important things to spend that money on in my life. I can't honestly get myself to buy minions or mounts. Main reason is because 30 seconds after I get a new minion/mount its old and idc that I have it. So why would I pay for it, smh.

[Adrian74]

I don't see what the big deal is with the cash shop hate. The way I see it, these cosmetic items has no impact on end-game what-so-ever. If it helps S-E produce more content for FFXIV with expansions or free content (which is not free because we pay for their salaries with our subs and now with cash shop to keep them working and making more content) then I am all for it.

I think what people need is a alternate way to these items from the cash shop and I would like for S-E to consider adding them to the Veterans Reward at some point into the future. That way it is a reward for long time players. That way this will take care of two things, 1) The item will be in-game for veterans after some time. 2) If there are new players and they want these items in advance then they can use the cash shop to purchase them.

I know this isn't the best solution but it is better than complaining without providing a decent solution. If you support the cash shop, show your support in this thread.

Read a little of this thread (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...45-Feedback%29) explaining it all over to blind people is tiring, so it was better to focus everything in one thread, or try it.... Hope it helps you open your eyes.

[Teryaani]

explaining it all over to blind people is tiring, so it was better to focus everything in one thread, or try it.... Hope it helps you open your eyes.

My eyes are open just fine thanks. Insulting people that disagree with you isn't going to convince anyone of your POV.

[Adrian74]

My eyes are open just fine thanks. Insulting people that disagree with you isn't going to convince anyone of your POV.

My apologies if it sounded like it was my intention to do so.

[Teryaani]

My apologies if it sounded like it was my intention to do so.

Calm blue oceans and all that. This thing (the cash shop debate) gets really heated and people on both sides get bent a bit. I like the cash shop but I can understand why people don't. Also, SE didn't do themselves any favors with the bracelet thing. They tend to put things out half finished rather than just telling us that they aren't quite ready.

[Nalien]

They tend to put things out half finished rather than just telling us that they aren't quite ready.

Which is hilarious, considering the legacy this game has. Really sad to see them forget the lessons they learned from 1.0 after just a year...

[Nashred]

Calm blue oceans and all that. This thing (the cash shop debate) gets really heated and people on both sides get bent a bit. I like the cash shop but I can understand why people don't. Also, SE didn't do themselves any favors with the bracelet thing. They tend to put things out half finished rather than just telling us that they aren't quite ready.

Part of it is they dont tell people things are going to cost money like the wedding mount.. They parade the wedding mount around without telling people guess what it will cost you. Get peoples hopes up and drop a bomb.. For us it put a damper on the wedding and takes some of the fun out of it..