The Futre of the Zodiac weapons!

[Yamimarik]

I know there is a fun little thread theorizing (some silly) the idea of what our final relics will come to be.

This thread is simply being made for feedback to the Devs in hopes they take any ideas we might have as gamers, and a community and maybe take them to the drawing board or allow it to inspire them!

So far I've enjoyed the relic quest as a whole. I had more fun getting my original relic then the others parts though so far...

Why do you ask? Because we got to actually participate in some of my favorite content! Primal fights! I love doing actual fights in order to gain something of this magnitude. I might get a lot of hate thrown my way for this next bit, but it's how I honestly feel.

I loved the atma portion as well to the Zodiac quest line so far, it brought back some awful feelings of nostalgia... which surprised me that I actually kind of missed! Was so riveting to go into FATEs knowing all the horror stories even on day one of the abysmal drop rate so far... only to finally after hours of staying in one zone to see that shiny new atma fall into my inventory and known I had it! I always loved that feeling when camping NM's from other games and to finally beat it after so long to see that drop I wanted fall right to me... any who... lol

I was extremely disappointed in the next portion though, which to say was the Animus portion. Constantly farming mythology tomes (there was no other way, you had to farm them, either by dungeons, maps, dailies, etc.) over and over drove me bananas!!! I never want to go through that again @.@

The Novus portion was okish. I mean it wasn't anything really new or inventive so far in the quest line, but it was nowhere as bad as the Animus part (at least for me). Alex was extremely easy to come by, and it stayed even if you failed a meld. The farming of the gil for materia sucked (I hate farming repetitively certain things like gil or tomestones if you couldn't tell already haha), but in the end it was worth and and I now stand with my The Veil of Wiyu Novus!

I have no idea whats in store for us come Tuesday (though I'm bursting at the seems to know!) But for future endeavors I really hope we come across some epic battles!

To take a page from FFXI, during the quest from the Mythic weapons you had to actually fight the spirit of your weapon, would that not be so amazing to do here? Or any sort of fight, maybe fight a fully powered Jalzhan or Gerolt to truly test our limits and our weapons! I really hope we see some kind of fight centered around the relic quest. And a tough fight too! I want to spend time planning and getting ready to go into the fight, learn what I can of my own personal fight and then truly earn my weapon. Each weapon would require a different set of strategies in order to pull off the fight since it would be with different jobs. Just the ideas of this could be limitless in the realm of possibilities. So please Devs hear our ideas, even if it isn't spot on exactly what we ask for, just think about some stuff before we finish the entire Zodiac quest line. I really hope to see this develop into even more than what it already has become!

Leave your feedback, your own suggestions! And how we can move forward into the Zodiac quest line. This is not a thread to complain about Atma, Animus, or the current Novus grind too many of those threads already exist and you can go voice your opinion there.

For the non-readers:

TL; DR- Let's make the final Zodiac quest a truly amazing quest to never forget!

[Gerolan]

Proto Novus - defeat Garuda in howling eye extreme 100 times, defeat titan in the navel extreme 500 times,defeat ifrit in bowl of embers extreme 1000 times, with a weathers level 1 weapon defeat 10,000 monsters. Obtain 20 of atma of the whorl, striking tree, navel, howling eye & bowl of embers (1% drop rate) please look forward to it!

[Yamimarik]

Proto Novus - defeat Garuda in howling eye extreme 100 times, defeat titan in the navel extreme 500 times,defeat ifrit in bowl of embers extreme 1000 times, with a weathers level 1 weapon defeat 10,000 monsters. Obtain 20 of atma of the whorl, striking tree, navel, howling eye & bowl of embers (1% drop rate) please look forward to it!

Thanks for that riveting feedback.... /rollseyes

Hope to hear some actual serious thoughts!

[Colorful]

How are you okay with farming fates but not farming mythology tomes? The latter has much more variation and isn't (I'd assume) as tedious.

[Brine_Gildchaff]

While I understand the desire for some cool fights, keep in mind that the relic weapons are supposed to be fairly accessible to all players ranging from super-casual to SCoB-hardcore. If we implemented something like the original quest's requirement of "defeat Ifrit, Garuda, and Titan on Hard Mode", wouldn't it have to become something like "clear Leviathan, King Mog, and Ramuh on Extreme Mode", and end up gating the relic's progression behind high-level content that many casual players are not going to be clearing for a long time?

How are you okay with farming fates but not farming mythology tomes? The latter has much more variation and isn't (I'd assume) as tedious.

Remember, when Animus -first- came out there were far fewer ways of obtaining Myth tomes and those ways gave much fewer. Back when they were first implemented, you could do all five roulettes and only get ~450 mythology tomes. This is what gave rise to the Hardflox speedruns.

[Ashgarth]

Every part of the Zodiac weapons seemed to be aimed to two goals:

-Make it last as long as possible.
-Use a piece of content that would benefit all players regardless of levels or that was being unused.

That second goal can be seen at all the stages of the relic so far.

- First we had to farm Fates of any level in almost every map. That (after the initial craze) has left the once unpopulated starting areas with people here and there doing fates so that new players dont feel like the world is empty.

- Then we had the books wich, again, made us kill random stuff, fates and leves and more importantly, dungeons. By making players redo old and low lvl dungeons it helps people who would otherwise have longuer queues for their story progression.

- The final step so far is the materia, this is the easiest one to understand. The materia system wich is more or less forgotten in the battle aspect of the game was suddenly boosted and not only for the super hard to obtain Tier IV materias. All of them were useful so, even low lvl players could benefit from it by selling their Tier I II materias.

So, for the next step, my bet is that it will either require Elemental materias (wich have absolutely no prupose in the game at the moment) or, what my FC and I have theorized, redo all the dungeons besides Coil and CT to get a random drop from the bosses for every one of them.

[Yamimarik]

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I'm not looking so much for a group fight as I am a solo fight from my suggestion, I thought I pointed that out, I might not have... was a lot to type out. Anyways, it will be accessible to everyone that actually get to that stage in the Zodiac quest line. I'm not saying bring back Primal requisites. Make a whole new fight centered around the Zodiac quest line. One you obtain to after reach that part of the Relic. Maybe even make it the final step in to getting a Zodiac weapon (if that be the final form of our weapons.)

[Colorful]

Remember, when Animus -first- came out there were far fewer ways of obtaining Myth tomes and those ways gave much fewer. Back when they were first implemented, you could do all five roulettes and only get ~450 mythology tomes. This is what gave rise to the Hardflox speedruns.

My bad, wasn't around back then. Although, even back then you're going to definitely finish within a certain time frame no matter how poor your luck is. As long as you do the roulettes, with the Anima it's just luck.

[Brine_Gildchaff]

I'm not looking so much for a group fight as I am a solo fight from my suggestion, I thought I pointed that out, I might not have... was a lot to type out. Anyways, it will be accessible to everyone that actually get to that stage in the Zodiac quest line. I'm not saying bring back Primal requisites. Make a whole new fight centered around the Zodiac quest line. One you obtain to after reach that part of the Relic. Maybe even make it the final step in to getting a Zodiac weapon (if that be the final form of our weapons.)

Ah, a solo duty. That could be fun, when's the last time we had a serious one of those? Perhaps the devs could associate each Relic with one of the Zodiac members (that'd be 9/12, 10/12 with ninja and I -believe- I heard there's two more coming with the expansion?) and we would have to combat either the Zodiacs themselves or some form of or entity associated with them?
(It does seem like it'd be a lot of work for the devs to make twelve different soloduty fights and balance each one to be solo'd by a member of X class...)

So, for the next step, my bet is that it will either require Elemental materias (wich have absolutely no prupose in the game at the moment) or, what my FC and I have theorized, redo all the dungeons besides Coil and CT to get a random drop from the bosses for every one of them.

While I agree that Yoshida has been doing his best to use the Relic line to encourage players to engage in underused content (and thankfully with Novus he gave us several different -options- to get alexandrite instead of just saying "park yourself here and do FATEs until you're sick to your stomach, then do it again three more days, then repeat that twelve times!"), I doubt this will be the next one. We already have lowbie roulette for encouraging players to participate in low-level content (both for the myth bonus and for levelling up alt classes even quickerr), and don't forget that the Animus books had us visit every single dungeon in the game, some multiple times.

[Gerolan]

Thanks for that riveting feedback.... /rollseyes

Hope to hear some actual serious thoughts!

I was serious! Since they said they will find a way to make EX more appealing and so far they haven't been part of relic. And knowing SE making a grind