Stoneskin II

[ExponentialDecay]

Then people would start complaining "OMG IT TAKES ANOTHER CROSS CLASS SPOT!" =p

[EDIT] To be fair though, what Lyrinn would be the path of least resistance.

WHMs get Stoneskin AND Stoneskin II at 34, both cross classable.

Give Graniteskin II trait at the same level you get Graniteskin.

Problem solved.

What I was directing my original post towards is the desire for players to want an elaborate way to make Stoneskin AoE outside of combat so they can maintain only using one cross class, as has been discussed somewhere in the Healer's Forum.

No, I don't have any skills cc'd I would want to part with. Just give sch their own stoneskin 2.

A better idea would be to make stoneskin have an aoe effect outside of battle and lose that effect in battle.

Stoneskin II is just for a slightly quicker means of applying stoneskin TO START.

This is exactly why white mage wanted it. This is exactly why scholar wants it.

[Uielyave]

Not really. SSII lasts 30 minutes and stacks with succor.

That 30 minute marker doesn't mean much of anything. Stoneskin II is merely for beginning battle application. After that, it can not be used in combat. We have to use Stoneskin I after that. Half the time I don't even get a chance to cast Stoneskin II as far as I've seen, aside from when i first enter a dungeon or the first few seconds before boss encounter. Stoneskin II is just for a slightly quicker means of applying stoneskin TO START. After that, you can't do much with it.

Just because it lasts for 30 minutes, doesn't mean it will stay there for 30 minutes.

[CrystalRainbow]

Here is why SCH doesn't get Stoneskin II, Because SCH isn't WHM. If you want Stoneskin II play WHM. Or remove SCH from the game. They are different jobs. play them differently. They need things to set themselves apart.


Original request was mine April 2014

[SulwynCaliope]

That 30 minute marker doesn't mean much of anything. Stoneskin II is merely for beginning battle application. After that, it can not be used in combat. We have to use Stoneskin I after that. Half the time I don't even get a chance to caster Stoneskin II as far as I've seen, aside from when i first enter a dungeon or the first few seconds before boss encounter. Stoneskin II is just for a slightly quicker means of applying stoneskin TO START. After that, you can't do much with it.

Just because it lasts for 30 minutes, doesn't mean it will stay there for 30 minutes.

I'm just going to facepalm. :/ That post was in response to someone saying that succor = SCH version of SSII. I was saying that they're not equivalent. Also in battles with smart DPS, I've had SS last almost the whole dungeon and not wear off till the last boss.

[ExponentialDecay]

Here is why SCH doesn't get Stoneskin II, Because SCH isn't WHM. If you want Stoneskin II play WHM. Or remove SCH from the game. They are different jobs. play them differently. They need things to set themselves apart.

This is an incredibly nonsensical reply. After all, scholar DOES get stoneskin. All we want is the same aoe version that white mage is afforded at our regular 10%. White mage is already set apart by getting an 18% barrier to our 10%

[SulwynCaliope]

Here is why SCH doesn't get Stoneskin II, Because SCH isn't WHM. If you want Stoneskin II play WHM. Or remove SCH from the game. They are different jobs. play them differently. They need things to set themselves apart.


Original request was mine April 2014

Then can WHM not be allowed to use virus and E4E too? Those are SCH skills. We need things to set ourselves apart.

Edit: Is SSII what WHMs needed to tell themselves that they're OMG SPECIAL? Because I'm seeing a lot of replies to that effect and it baffles me.

[Bebekurenai]

Why did WHMs ask for it? Because it made their lives easier and not because they needed it. Maybe they shouldn't have made a fuss over it till SE caved? The issue is that SE gave SCHs access to Stoneskin. We use it as extra mitigation before the fight even begins. Why should SE give WHMs only an extra, non game breaking, QoL change when SCHs are using the skill in the exact same way for the exact same purpose. I don't think that SCHs should get everything a WHM gets. If I wanted WHM toys, I'd play a WHM and not SCH. What I'm asking for here is a QUALITY OF LIFE change. I don't know why some people can't understand the concept of QUALITY OF LIFE.

Because SS is native to whm and because sch has already an aoe native skill aka succor? Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind having SS2 on both since I play both, but i see it as overpowering towards sch, when sch has aoe galvanize which when critted is pretty OP, and on top of that sch already crosses the simple SS. Convenience at pull? If you already succor the party before pull, and on top of that you would have SS2, wouldn't it make your party pretty much invincible and ready to go without even waiting? The sch would just cast his succor and SS2, call out the fairy and go afk even more and from earlier on (halfway kidding there). And with the long cast of SS2 you are forced to swift it, which with succor you would be wasting the swift.

And about the "mentality of this game is perfect as it is, stop saying its not"... The game is certainly not perfect and it won't be, you can't just please everyone, but for once, with this QoL, whm catches up a little on the healer popularity.

[Roris]

Here is why SCH doesn't get Stoneskin II, Because SCH isn't WHM. If you want Stoneskin II play WHM. Or remove SCH from the game. They are different jobs. play them differently. They need things to set themselves apart.


Original request was mine April 2014

By that silly logic cross class abilities shouldn't be a thing at all, yet they are and jobs still play differently.

but i see it as overpowering towards sch, when sch has aoe galvanize which when critted is pretty OP, and on top of that sch already crosses the simple SS. Convenience at pull? If you already succor the party before pull, and on top of that you would have SS2, wouldn't it make your party pretty much invincible and ready to go without even waiting?

I don't think any dungeon or boss fight does AoE damage right off the bat aside from maybe T2 and I know I'm forgetting something else, when most of them do then Succor is gone long before the AoE damage starts, in dungeons Succor is always a waste at the start and you only need to Adlo + SS your tank. Yes by that "no AoE right off the bat" logic SS2 isn't needed either, but there it is and the reason for it is because SS lasts longer. In most situations, aka the majority of content since Coil isn't most of the game content, that SS shouldn't fall off anyone beside the tank until something does AoE damage which can take quite a while, and Succor will have fallen off ages before that happens. Unlike Succor, SS2 can't be used in battle either, so no OPness there.

[Ghishlain]

I'm just kinda... aghast at how this thread spiraled like this for one simple request @.@

No, I don't have any skills cc'd I would want to part with. Just give sch their own stoneskin 2.

A better idea would be to make stoneskin have an aoe effect outside of battle and lose that effect in battle.

Funny how you managed to miss the post I made two replies before the one you quoted in regards to just that. I agree that making the change to SS soe it AoEs outside of combat is the best idea, but I don't think it's as "easy" to program as everyone thinks it is.

[ExponentialDecay]

Because SS is native to whm and because sch has already an aoe native skill aka succor? Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind having SS2 on both since I play both, but i see it as overpowering towards sch, when sch has aoe galvanize which when critted is pretty OP, and on top of that sch already crosses the simple SS. Convenience at pull? If you already succor the party before pull, and on top of that you would have SS2, wouldn't it make your party pretty much invincible and ready to go without even waiting? The sch would just cast his succor and SS2, call out the fairy and go afk even more and from earlier on (halfway kidding there). And with the long cast of SS2 you are forced to swift it, which with succor you would be wasting the swift.

And about the "mentality of this game is perfect as it is, stop saying its not"... The game is certainly not perfect and it won't be, you can't just please everyone, but for once, with this QoL, whm catches up a little on the healer popularity.

A couple problems here. SS2 doesn't work in battle so it wouldn't be overpowered for scholars at all. Succor doesn't get the same benefit from crit that Adloquium does, as the shield from succor is equal to the amount healed whether it crits or not.

It is simply something that will save 3+ seconds whenever stoneskin is applied to the party.

Funny how you managed to miss the post I made two replies before the one you quoted in regards to just that. I agree that making the change to SS soe it AoEs outside of combat is the best idea, but I don't think it's as "easy" to program as everyone thinks it is.

White mage's raise ability already works this way, albeit with a trait. Whether it's easy or not doesn't really matter.