Stoneskin II

[juniglee]

Let the PLD do it ^^ Shields for the same.

Please let Paladin have Stoneskin II too then ^^" Not like we have many choices of cross-class skills anyway, I'd take it!

[RazeLandale]

There's no reason not to give it to sch anyway, but I'd mind a whole lot less if I did ST or whatever with 4 whms and 2 schs and it didn't put the two schs together.

[Saseal]

Aside from it being a programming issue potentially, why NOT allow it?

All I really see is people feeling their now SUPER SPECIAL that they have an AoE Stoneskin and don't want to share a QoL adjustment with their healing bretheren even though it wouldn't make or break anything in the game.

@.@ Like... seriously?!

I definitely understand what you're saying, and definitely agree with you on several posts - though I'm sure many will still feel what they feel, regardless the point. D: I'mma abandon ship on the thread - you might want to do the same, because it's really not doing any good x_x /soothe
I think at this point, there's not much that can be said that will be listened to, from either side x_x


Though, I don't think it's so much as not wanting to share it (I wouldn't mind if SCH gets SSII - I'm a little surprised they didn't if it's a QoL - easier for everyone, and then this thread would never have happened *twitch*), but rather trying to put logic to reasoning vs sharing QoL + strong opinions + the initial aggressive tone of the thread (first post is easy to read as 'since we don't have it, then WHM shouldn't have it') is just not really helping anything. Anger begets anger, unfortunately :/

I kind of hope this thread just.... dies - just because of it's general toxicity towards each other that we seriously just do not need.

The last thing I'd want is to be paired up with either healer class (WHM or SCH) and have it come up with negative comments towards either class the second I or they start casting it.

[DreamWeaver]

To all scholars in this topic:

I am extremely curious, in 4 man or 8 man+2x Scholars, do you :
A) Protect + Adlo main tank + succor team = GOGOGOGO
B) Protect + Adlo main tank = GOGOGOGO
C) Protect + Adlo main tank + Succor Team + Stoneskin team = GOGOGO

If you answer A or B, then you do not need AoE stoneskin .

Honestly outside of raids (which you should have both WHM and SCH, so this argument is moot), Stoneskin-ing everyone is like a "better than nothing" sorta thing.
So are you saying you scholars are willing to sacrifice a Cross Class slot for something even more subpar than a "better than nothing" sorta thing?

I'm not objecting nor agreeing SCHs should get SS2, but I am just very curious regarding my above question.

P/S: Unless of course SE is kind enough to give you Scholars "Mini-Stoneskin II" as your unique skill, then hey knock yourself out with Succor + Stoneskin, which makes it slightly superior to "better than nothing" sorta thing that WHMs have.

[ExponentialDecay]

There's no reason to ever not stoneskin everyone. It lasts long enough that everyone is bound to make use of it, and it frees up a gcd that would otherwise go to healing the damage it blocked. Or better, improves survivability during a section of a fight that brings people dangerously close to death.

[Sapphic]

There's no reason to ever not stoneskin everyone. It lasts long enough that everyone is bound to make use of it, and it frees up a gcd that would otherwise go to healing the damage it blocked. Or better, improves survivability during a section of a fight that brings people dangerously close to death.

So you use 4 GCDs to save 1? Ok........

1 Succor is more effective than Stoneskin on the party, uses 1 GCD and a lot less mana.

Pretty much, it does seem like some people are making it a "WHM should be better because SCH smells bad" thing when they were made by SE themselves to complement each other.

WHM is betterthan SCH, for somethings. Yet SCH are better than WHM too.

I do find SCH a lot more interesting to play due to their greater flexibility than WHM, also I do a little cheer inside when I get paired with a WAR in DF XD Dem 2k crit adlos ftw! So much easier to heal WAR with SCH than WHM (and in reverse for PLD).

[Roris]

The last thing I'd want is to be paired up with either healer class (WHM or SCH) and have it come up with negative comments towards either class the second I or they start casting it.

Pretty much, it does seem like some people are making it a "WHM should be better because SCH smells bad" thing when they were made by SE themselves to complement each other.

C) Protect + Adlo main tank + Succor Team + Stoneskin team = GOGOGO

When the tank is patient enough, when someone is in a CS at the start or with buddies, always SS at the start, there's no reason not to and all SS2 for SCHs would do is make it faster like it already does for WHMs. I play both healers and I like both, though I'm better at SCH. I wouldn't mind giving up Aero for it, I'm sure whoever actually uses Blizzard 2 or Surecast wouldn't either.

[ExponentialDecay]

So you use 4 GCDs to save 1? Ok........

1 Succor is more effective than Stoneskin on the party, uses 1 GCD and a lot less mana.

Don't be obtuse. GCD's before the pull and after the pull are of completely different value.

What else are we gonna use it on? Surecast? SCHs are healers and should do their full preventative abilities when on a team. That means Stoneskins. Even WHMs do not feel like pushing the button eight times and SCHs shouldn't make them.

Proper crossclass skills are: Stoneskin, Protect, Aero, Cleric Stance, Swiftcast.

[Ophie-Mio]

To all scholars in this topic:

I am extremely curious, in 4 man or 8 man+2x Scholars, do you :
A) Protect + Adlo main tank + succor team = GOGOGOGO
B) Protect + Adlo main tank = GOGOGOGO
C) Protect + Adlo main tank + Succor Team + Stoneskin team = GOGOGO

I do C in every instance, even when doing higher level raids. Just because some do not doesn't mean that I should let people go without proper buffs.

So are you saying you scholars are willing to sacrifice a Cross Class slot for something even more subpar than a "better than nothing" sorta thing?

What else are we gonna use it on? Surecast? SCHs are healers and should do their full preventative abilities when on a team. That means Stoneskins. Even WHMs do not feel like pushing the button eight times and SCHs shouldn't make them.

[Starbirth]

I don't really care about SSII. Sch still > Whm.