Stoneskin II

[Nyalia]

I don't know about your data center but in mine, tanks NEVER buff the party. Some probably have even forgotten that they have protect and SS cross classed. I've always buffed the party on my own because that's part of my job.

I will give you fairy skills might be an extension of our job skills. But Sic, Place, Heel, Obey, Steady, Stay, Guard, and Away? Really? So our fairies should just cast heals and skills stupidly while we have no control over them? That made me facepalm because clearly you have no idea how SCHs heal. And I'm not saying that SSII isn't an extension of SS. Do you agree though that it's also a pretty useless extension of SS in battle? It's ONLY purpose is to speed up the buffing process out of battle which SCHs do partake in too.

Yeah, and I've seen SCHs on my datacenter who heal without a fairy at all. That doesn't say a thing about SCH/WHM balance, only that some people are morons.

To clarify, I'm not saying that SCH is superior to WHM at all, nor that WHM is superior to SCH. They're both useful, and the best parties, to me, are the ones with both an SCH and a WHM. All I'm saying is that SS2 does not change the SCH/WHM balance, and lacking SS2 does not necessarily slow down non-WHM pre-fight buffing speed (providing your PLDs/fellow SCHs aren't morons).

The point about the number of skills thing - there are people on this thread and others who keep saying that you can't give WHM a new skill without giving SCH a new skill, like there's some kind of rule. I'm saying that clearly there isn't, since if you count each action as a separate skill, SCHs clearly have more actions than WHMs. Unless you're saying you never use "place" in a fight? Or "obey?" Or "embrace?" Those are all actions that are used. If you count SS and SSII as different actions, why do you not count "whispering dawn" and "embrace (eos)" as separate actions both available to an SCH?

Honestly, comparing number of actions is stupid and meaningless. The above illustrates why I feel this way.

[SulwynCaliope]

The point about the number of skills thing - there are people on this thread and others who keep saying that you can't give WHM a new skill without giving SCH a new skill, like there's some kind of rule.

I'm not saying that either tbh. My whole argument is that SSII is a Quality of life change. So SE will better the lives of WHMs but not SCHs when both have the same skill? That's all I'm really asking for. For SCHs to be treated fairly in this regard. :/ I'm just sad at how many WHMs are being selfish with regards to this quality of life change.

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Can you answer me this. How does shaving off a few extra seconds of pre buff time for an SCH make you so defensive about the whole skill? Clearly this isn't about SSII at all for you. This is WHM vs SCH for you. I've said time and time again that this isn't about WHM vs SCH. The classes are VERY balanced right now as far as I'm concerned and I'm wary of any changes that would break this balance. This is about a difference in a few seconds of pre buff time. Nothing more nothing less.

[RaquelleAvarosa]

Can you answer me this. How does shaving off a few extra seconds of pre buff time for an SCH make you so defensive about the whole skill? Clearly this isn't about SSII at all for you. This is WHM vs SCH for you. I've said time and time again that this isn't about WHM vs SCH. The classes are VERY balanced right now as far as I'm concerned and I'm wary of any changes that would break this balance. This is about a difference in a few seconds of pre buff time. Nothing more nothing less.

I am not defensive, I simply disagree with your drama mama antics, making the lack of SS2 for SCH seem like such a big deal and a critical oversight when it really isn't.

I don't care about WHM vs SCH I main both perfectly, go check out my profile if you do not believe and if you think its about WHM vs SCH then it goes to show how little you understood from the comments in this thread.

[SulwynCaliope]

I am not defensive, I simply disagree with your drama mama antics, making the lack of SS2 for SCH seem like such a big deal and a critical oversight when it really isn't.

I don't care about WHM vs SCH I main both perfectly, go check out my profile if you do not believe and if you think its about WHM vs SCH then it goes to show how little you understood from the comments in this thread.

So I shouldn't ask for an equal QoL change because it's not important enough for SCHs but important enough for WHMs to get all dramatic about it? Is that what I'm understanding from you? Because the reason why WHMs got this was because they got whiney about it too. All I'm hearing is this double standard.

Here is what they ought to do. Take away adlo, make it single target and last until it wears off. Then let them single cast that crap for 2 years on each party member then give them back adlo as a group cast.

Then and only then it may become a fair trade.

Sigh... I know you mean succor so I won't nitpick. Succor is our only spammable AoE heal. I don't understand how changing that would make this a fair trade. Please enlighten me. Nerfing Succor on Scholars would be akin to nerfing Medica II on WHM.

[Seidaku]

I think you missed the point of my sarcasm. /sigh

So whm's got something cool and beneficial to the group that saved them a hellish macro that could do the same thing and cost double the cast time.
I dont see a problem giving it to scholars. In fact I would love to offload stoneskin entirely to scholars as they are supposed to be the undisputed damage mitigation casters anyway. Please give it away to them, I will not feel any hurt on it.
In return I would not ask for much, I would ask that aero be removed from the cross class list. I would ask for an additional cross class ability to replace surecast as something beneficial to me.

That is it. Please take stoneskin away from us.

[SulwynCaliope]

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I'm sorry for missing it. v.v; It's been a long day for me. Hahaha x.X I don't think WHMs should lose SS though. It's an important tool in their arsenal. I know many SCHs are going to kill me for saying this but I personally wouldn't mind losing Aero anyway. XD;;; It's a nice DPS skill to have definitely but I can't even spread it with bane so I'm pretty meh on it.