Stoneskin II

[DSN]

So the fact you can heal and shield the entire raid in 1 cast taking 2.5 seconds during combat isn't enough for you? or the fact you have 2 shields? Have you ever seen Stoneskin fall off due to time not damage? A lot of encounters have raid wide damage at some point which will knock off any remaining stoneskin which cannot be recast on the entire raid with ease but you can and can drop a 2nd shield on the tank and can heal them for 25% of their damage while healing someone else and while dropping an AoE damage reducing shield around the raid .... wait your right this is totally unfair. Why are WHM's getting the shaft here?

[Riepah]

So the fact you can heal and shield the entire raid in 1 cast taking 2.5 seconds during combat isn't enough for you? or the fact you have 2 shields? Have you ever seen Stoneskin fall off due to time not damage? A lot of encounters have raid wide damage at some point which will knock off any remaining stoneskin which cannot be recast on the entire raid with ease but you can and can drop a 2nd shield on the tank and can heal them for 25% of their damage while healing someone else and while dropping an AoE damage reducing shield around the raid .... wait your right this is totally unfair. Why are WHM's getting the shaft here?

Congratulations on missing the point entirely, as many have before you. You seem to be fighting some "WHM vs SCH" war nobody else can see. Stoneskin II is nothing but convenience, it has nothing to do with power or utility.

[DSN]

Congratulations on missing the point entirely, as many have before you. You seem to be fighting some "WHM vs SCH" war nobody else can see. Stoneskin II is nothing but convenience, it has nothing to do with power or utility.

It would seem that you are all missing the point and are just on the jelly train. I get that we got something new and shiny and you did not and that sucks, however when you look at the utility of each class, how your current spells work and what Quality of Life means or the impact of giving you another shield you can cast on the entire party / raid before a pull and what that does to your initial damage mitigation numbers. While you can do this manually it does come at the cost of time so giving you the same QoL change that was given to WHM does impact your class more than just the QoL which was awarded to WHM's is what you are failing to see.

[Roris]

So the fact you can heal and shield the entire raid in 1 cast taking 2.5 seconds during combat isn't enough for you? or the fact you have 2 shields? Have you ever seen Stoneskin fall off due to time not damage? A lot of encounters have raid wide damage at some point which will knock off any remaining stoneskin which cannot be recast on the entire raid with ease but you can and can drop a 2nd shield on the tank and can heal them for 25% of their damage while healing someone else and while dropping an AoE damage reducing shield around the raid .... wait your right this is totally unfair. Why are WHM's getting the shaft here?

They aren't. Say anyone, even WAR's with Defiance but of course they're a special case, has 5000 HP.

My Succor (which is the closest analogue to Stoneskin 2 yet also SCH's only direct AoE heal that isn't a HoT thus really the closest analogue to Medica) solo right now does around 460 and almost 700 crit at i110, so that's a 460 shield, 700 if lucky. Untraited SS would shield for 500, traited shields for 900, so a WHM by himself would still shield for more regardless. Sure you can combine both as a SCH, so that would be 460 + 500 = 960, just very slightly higher than a WHM would shield by himself if you even get lucky to get the higher rolls, and 700 + 500 = 1200 if one or more party members get lucky.

Now Adlo does 900-945 and a crit does 1430 something so sure an Adlo shields more especially combined with any SS. Which isn't really on topic or relevant anyway, and also Adlo costs more to cast than a SS, Adlo can't be overridden halfway except by a higher Adlo, it only lasts 30 seconds vs 30 min which means SS should stay longer because it usually takes quite a while for AoE damage to happen in most of the game' content and Adlo-ing every party member before a fight a la Stoneskin is just a waste of time because it'll fall off by the time you're at the bottom of the list or by the time AoE damage happens, especially on 8 man parties.

Simple solution in that case would be to just round up the SS trait to 20% if you really think WHM SS needs more extra shielding I guess, honestly never understood why they just left it at 18%. Which again is just missing the point of this thread because SS2 or whatever you wanna call it is just there to save time casting SS on everyone at the start or in between pulls, that's it, that's all it is.

[DSN]

As you pointed out your various abilities and how they work do you really think adding Stoneskin II to SCH is only a QoL adjustment or is even required?

The two healers have different utilities and functions in how they work, WHM is more a pure healing class where SCH is more damage mitigation / reduction. While no one is stopping you from casting Stoneskin on your entire party or raid it comes with the cost of time. As you obviously get how these spells work and scale do the math on what your total damage mitigation would be with everything up and tell me both classes are on par.

My out of combat precast of Stoneskin II will be lost at first AoE Damage. Arguments over the time it lasts really is irrelevant as mine is cast before combat starts and relies on people to dodge properly to be up when the AoE damage occurs to be safe or take reduced damage whereas you can cast Succor as the AoE damage is being cast and cover those who lost their initial shield a few minutes into combat as you pointed out most of the AoE damage occurs in the middle of a phase or as a phase transition making your shields better for reactionary or event based damage compared to Stoneskin. While sure it is nice to be able to Stoneskin myself in town and have it last while I am running around I am also not doing anything and it really serves no purpose here as I am not taking damage and the first anything I do that requires level sync it is removed and requires being recast anyways.