Stoneskin II

[SulwynCaliope]

I feel like some people are missing the point here. This isn't a debate about WHM vs SCH because honestly, nothing has changed on that front. This is about a small QoL change that wouldn't change the balance of the classes so bringing up individual skills that each class has is completely pointless and doesn't contribute to the discussion. SSII can ONLY be used OUT of battle and just makes it easier for WHMs to SS the whole party at once. All I'm asking is for SCHs to get SSII too as a QoL change.

Also, since we're talking about QoL changes, why is the cast time on SSII 6 seconds anyway? They should've kept it at the same cast time as the original SS, IMO.

[Saseal]

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I brought up the skills in order to try to understand where SE might have been going in the mindset of giving it just to WHMs... IE possibly just a basic skill (amount?) balance, being that they have one AoE buff - not a whos better or not... of which I don't think theres a better/worse, just different play styles from them.
Though some had gone straight to that mindset in the thread, anyway.

Also, yeah =_= The cast time is a little annoying - it's almost as long as clicking everyone one by one anyway (or it feels like it >_>) but could be because they took the point of multiple casts into consideration. I'm fairly sure it's a lot shorter than it would be to SS 8 people (....but still long enough for people to scoot away out of range anyway).

I'm not against SCH gettign SSII, as well, since they still have to chase people down (.....but then again, even with SSII, I still have to chase people down with regular SS) - just that it's possible SE didn't think it was as necessary when looking at the straight skill comparisons. THey could have been under the impression -just looking at the descriptions - that the SCH AoE buffs that come with regens were just as good (just different).

But I can only speculate and guess.

[Sagittarian]

Also, yeah =_= The cast time is a little annoying - it's almost as long as clicking everyone one by one anyway (or it feels like it >_>) but could be because they took the point of multiple casts into consideration. I'm fairly sure it's a lot shorter than it would be to SS 8 people (....but still long enough for people to scoot away out of range anyway).

The cast time and mana cost are exactly twice what they are for SS.
And I still need swiftcast to get it off before someone pulls in Syrcus Tower.

[LineageRazor]

(....but still long enough for people to scoot away out of range anyway).

Simple solution: Cast Stoneskin II before Protect. Anyone that runs off to do battle without Protect on deserves whatever they get, and you don't need to feel any guilt!

[Lemuria]

All I'm asking is for SCHs to get SSII too as a QoL change.

Scholar simply doesn't need it. Heck, they don't really even need regular stoneskin, it's more of a convenience anyway. The casting costs are more expensive than just throwing up an Adlo and being done with it, and the 'stoneskin' on Adlo is generally superior to boot. On any content you'll actually want Stoneskin on, you'll likely have a WHM in the group to take care of it instead.

Besides, Scholar's already have the benefit of having a secondary healer on tap. Can't WHM just have something nice without you trying to steal it away?

[SulwynCaliope]

Scholar simply doesn't need it. Heck, they don't really even need regular stoneskin, it's more of a convenience anyway. The casting costs are more expensive than just throwing up an Adlo and being done with it, and the 'stoneskin' on Adlo is generally superior to boot. On any content you'll actually want Stoneskin on, you'll likely have a WHM in the group to take care of it instead.

Besides, Scholar's already have the benefit of having a secondary healer on tap. Can't WHM just have something nice without you trying to steal it away?

Once again it's not about needing it or not. SE gave us Stoneskin. We use it as a shield BEFORE the battle to soak up a little bit of extra damage at the start of battle. It doesn't change anything about how either class functions in battle. We're not asking to play in the WHM sandbox and take all your toys away. Stop acting like that's what we're asking for. We're asking to have the same convenience that WHMs jut received. We can literally cast stoneskin on the party the same as you guys can already. The difference is that we have to press more buttons to do the same thing while you guys can just press 1 button.

[RakaMaimhov]

Scholars don't really need stoneskin 99% of the time. (Except for maybe raids where stoneskin II would be worthless anyway.)

[Riepah]

Since people here are so adamant that there is no need for SCH to Stoneskin a raid before a fight, I shall not Stoneskin a raid before a fight anymore when on SCH. Thank you for opening my eyes, forum people.

[Roris]

Since people here are so adamant that there is no need for SCH to Stoneskin a raid before a fight, I shall not Stoneskin a raid before a fight anymore when on SCH. Thank you for opening my eyes, forum people.

It's the typical "stop bringing flaws from this perfect game into light" mentality. If you look back at one of the main initial threads suggesting an AoE Stoneskin that was recently bumped, you can see the first reply is basically "it's not needed stop being lazy /thread". I guess it's also because only Coil and well balanced preformed groups count and other content is irrelevant, which is true but still, thus it's not needed for all the rest of the content in their mind. Even though Adlo + Stoneskin + manual Embrace is great so you can go all out on damage (no, I know at least one of you want to go there but don't, don't do the "healers heal they don't DPS" thing).

[Sapphic]

Since people here are so adamant that there is no need for SCH to Stoneskin a raid before a fight, I shall not Stoneskin a raid before a fight anymore when on SCH. Thank you for opening my eyes, forum people.

Let the PLD do it ^^ Shields for the same.

The cast time and mana cost are exactly twice what they are for SS.
And I still need swiftcast to get it off before someone pulls in Syrcus Tower.

Incorrect, it is much cheaper as you have to multiply the cost of single Stoneskin by the number of people you are buffing.

I main SCH on my alt, and tbh, very rarely use SS on 4 peep anyways, fey illu+crit adlo on tank pre pull, for large pulls eye for an eye, gives me plenty of time to SC shadowflare, dot and bane, pop rouse and ruin spam a bit. Top up when needed.

WHMs are top for AE healing, SCH are top for single target and flexibility. So making AE SS WHM only, to me makes sense. Albeit, if they added for SCH I wouldn't object Then again, I wouldnt miss it either if they don't.

Also, no. Why? Because they are two different things. Stoneskin II doesn't heal at all. Succor isn't just our QOL buff. It's literally our only aoe heal.

Fey Illumination+Rouse+Whispering Dawn+succor can quickly top up the party for AE plus the added shield from fey illu buffed Succor. Albeit not as good as Divine Seal+medica 2 or Cure 3. But WHMs biggest strength is Party AE heal anyways.