Real Money to Get In-Game Currency: Eternal Bond Edition

[chrillix]

Alright Nyaruko I will concede the fact that by definition this is not RMT. What I should have been arguing was that being able to spend real money, and turn it into gil pushes this game towards P2W. I cannot stand and sort of P2W aspect in any game, and I believe this is the first step down a terribly slippery slope that pushes this game into full blown P2W.

[Shadray]

No. What you're describing is illegal RMT. However, both are RMT.

Don't think it's illegal, but it's defiantly against the TOS. And yes pretty much everything in life is RMT, it's not like you trade goats and pigs for goods any more

[chrillix]

Thank you BigPapaSmurf, I 100% agree with you.

[Renik]

Paying SE your subscription is RMT too then. Seriously people, such broken definitions make no sense. As far as the game is concerned, SE is the only place you should be allowed to spend real life money on. Buying stuff from SE is just just SE providing service,items, enhancements, content, all as part of the game. I don't have to like pay-to-win, or the cash shop, but SE selling stuff can not possibly be construed as RMT.

No matter how you describe it, the definition of something is what people give to it, this is considered RMT by a part of the player-base just because it has the same effect the other RMT has, the players are not worried about Korean individuals getting some money by "playing" a game, they are worried about other players having unfair advantages.

The effect is the same, so it's RMT.

[Tyla_Esmeraude]

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Well I have to admit that he's right. It's not really RMT because the money is going to SE, not any of the players.

Doesn't change the fact that it's unbalanced and only belongs in a F2P game...

I used to play this F2P Korean MMORPG (pretty good and really fun game, left because of exactly these practices which gave you advantage only if you were willing to spend absurd amounts of real money). The economy went crazy. Everything got inflated and is still inflated up to this day. (I log in from time to time to check if anything's gotten better, because the game is so good, just ruined by F2P system and publisher). While in FF14, having 100m gil means you are rich, in that korean game, it's just some spare change. With 100m, you can't afford much. Maybe some "cheap" weapons which won't help you that much. If you wanna be rich, you need at least 1 billion in your pocket. I'm not kidding.

The ONLY reason I was able to afford higher grade weapons once in that game, was because I won an art contest of theirs and one of the prizes was going for 1 billion. That was the only time I was rich. Then the money went on better weapons and armor and got left with 130m. And guess what? Even then, I still didn't have the best gear in the game. For that I would have needed maybe another 5 to 10 billion lol.

I honestly wouldn't want that to happen to 14. :/

[NyarukoW]

... What I should have been arguing was that being able to spend real money, and turn it into gil pushes this game towards P2W. I cannot stand and sort of P2W aspect in any game, and I believe this is the first step down a terribly slippery slope that pushes this game into full blown P2W.

I don't think SE wanted people to be trading the bands for gil either, and I am very much against P2W. I don't think SE wants to take that first step to P2W either. Nonetheless, spending $20 to get 3 mil or less and dropping, consider that the more bands there are the less they are worth in gil, it is more like pay-to-lose which is mildly amusing to me. The people that have so much gil but do not want to spend real money for the wedding are a very limited set, and in all likelihood they all bought the bands they wanted by now and the opportunity to easily convert real life money to gil will dry up very quickly. This is a momentary error on SE's part, failing to take into account human nature of its player, but it is just a time limited shift of in-game gil from one set of players to another that will quickly dissipate.

...I honestly wouldn't want that to happen to 14. :/

I do NOT want to see that happen to SE either, and I do NOT think it is happening or will happen. The market for these wedding bands is very limited and their prices are already dropping fast and pretty soon it will be very silly to pay $20 to get 500K gil or less.

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The effect is the same, so it's RMT.

Umm.. that is broken logic. I am not sure you should be so proud of that. Millions of people die from car crashes and millions of people die nuclear weapons, so lets ban both because the effect is the same... right on.

[ManweSulimo]

Well I have to admit that he's right. It's not really RMT because the money is going to SE, not any of the players.

Doesn't change the fact that it's unbalanced and only belongs in a F2P game...

I used to play this F2P Korean MMORPG ...

I have a strong feeling I know that game and I also played too it was awesome. In that game I was one of the wealthiest people on the server and I never bought in game currency with real money ever. I farmed bosses and sold the drops for the in game currency.

Everything boils down to what the economic conditions are. If you find a way to make gil then do that and you will be wealthy without having to buy gil with real money. If you think your time is better spent making real life money then God bless you and thank you for your contribution to society. Let the guy have his i110 melded crafted gears since he did more for the world than the other guy sitting in his parents' basement playing games. Sorry I know that's a bit strong and I hope nobody takes offense to that because that isn't my intent. But maybe P2W will have an overall positive effect on the world as a whole if it drives people to want to make more real life money because inevitably they will end up contributing to society.

It's almost like it's the same people who were complaining about how fast people could get i110 during patch 2.3 due to hunts are now complaining that people can get i110 fully melded crafted gear by selling cash shop bracelets. I don't see how their gain is bringing you down. And if you feel that way you may need to check yourself for jealousy. The only way it would is if you are directly competing for a spot in a static against someone that did that and the group chooses that person over you (which would be stupid of them because more likely you are the better player as far as skill). And at that point I would question the people in that group anyways just find another group lol

[Tyla_Esmeraude]

I do NOT want to see that happen to SE either, and I do NOT think it is happening or will happen. The market for these wedding bands is very limited and their prices are already dropping fast and pretty soon it will be very silly to pay $20 to get 500K gil or less.

I hope you are right...

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Well the only way to make money is if you were decked out in gear to be able to solo bosses so all the loots would go to you in order to be worth it (because you had to pay for items or a fee in order to enter dungeons). Yes you could make money but for that you needed better weapons and gear, like I said, you needed some billions to invest, first. Because while stuff to sell kept getting undercut, weapons and armor remained expensive, as well as cash shop items. So... yeah. I tried, farming all kinds of things, but that game is full with bots too, and they have advantage on maps. Same with end game raids, it's like, you needed to spend money in order to have a chance at making money, which sometimes didn't happen. lol That game is so unbalanced it's sad.

[CrimsonOrion]

Well I have to admit that he's right. It's not really RMT because the money is going to SE, not any of the players.

Doesn't change the fact that it's unbalanced and only belongs in a F2P game...

I used to play this F2P Korean MMORPG ...:/

Would that game you're referring to have outrageously priced atlas which has to be bought via a Cash shop then sold for equally outrageous price on the MB? Because that game was great until then. And this one could face that same fate.

[Tupsi]

Not to be rude or anything, but did the team really think the players wouldn't find a way to exploit this? come on..

Yeah SE's first mistake: Trusting their playerbase.