Real Money to Get In-Game Currency: Eternal Bond Edition

[Aegis]

Using your join date to justify anything is absolutely dumb. I'm an original CE holder but never joined the forums until 2.0. Granted I didn't play much of 1.0 and seeing as how SE so confusingly lost my only 1.0 character during free transfers pre-open beta, using your join date is like using your status as a President to justify genocide.

I was full on supporting your comments earlier with silent nods and hitting the like button; but this right here is downright nasty of you. You could have handled it a different way.

He was stating I couldn't have friends that have logged on regularly for years because this game hasn't been out for years. I was just pointing out I have been playing this game for 4 years now.

But hey, it's nice to have (had) a fan.

[Grimmel]

He was stating I couldn't have friends that have logged on regularly for years because this game hasn't been out for years. I was just pointing out I have been playing this game for 4 years now.

But hey, it's nice to have (had) a fan.

The situation still could have been treated differently. The game hasn't been ongoing for four years. It had a period of time where there was no service at all. To some 1.0 players the game is entirely new from what it was back then; things have changed drastically. You could have better explained to the person in question this instead of flinging around your veteran status like it makes you better than them. :\

[Aegis]

The situation still could have been treated differently. The game hasn't been ongoing for four years. It had a period of time where there was no service at all. To some 1.0 players the game is entirely new from what it was back then; things have changed drastically. You could have better explained to the person in question this instead of flinging around your veteran status like it makes you better than them. :\

Perhaps I phrased it badly, but that poster said my friends can't have logged into FFXIV for years because it's a year old (they've been on my friend list for over 4 years now). He also said this isn't the first time I've unsubbed (it is. This is the first time I've stopped paying SE monthly in 8 years).

He isn't debating the nature of the two versions of the game or anything like that; he's outright calling me a liar. And lying himself while doing so. I have no patience for that.

[NyarukoW]

Cash shop alone is by definition RMT. You spend real money, you get in-game item.

This is some screwed up definition of RMT. Spending money can getting stuff in game is what you do all the time with the subscription.

Let's look at Square Enix's definition (the only one that matters): "RMT is defined as the selling and buying of virtual assets for real-world money."

Now let's look at a party finder entry: "WTS Promise of Devotion (Platinum) for 3m." Now let's simplify it to make it simple: "WTS $20 for 3m."

When players can not get $20 they are not able to complete part where "selling and buying of virtual assets for real-world money." is needed to make it RMT. The simplification is logical error. You can not possibly sell the band for $20. And you have to a gil seller to sell the gil for $20 to make it RMT.

The cash shop is simply not RMT. Selling items from the cash shop for gil is NOT RMT either.

[chrillix]

Selling items from the cash shop for gil is NOT RMT either.

If you can not wrap your head around the fact your above situation is basically buying gil for $20, then there is no point continuing this conversation with you.
Buying gil for $20 IS RMT, and that is basically what this patch has allowed.

[MomomiMomi]

This is some screwed up definition of RMT.

You're right, SE's own definition of RMT is screwed up.

[NyarukoW]

Buying gil for $20 IS RMT, and that is basically what this patch has allowed.

If you bought gil from a gil seller and the gil seller get the $20, then it is RMT, which is clearly a violation. But if the other player is not a gil seller because they can NOT get the $20, then no, it is NOT RMT. People keep forgetting that you need to transfer the real money to a real player to make it RMT.

Even if the cash shop sold in-game gil for $20, it is still not RMT, because the other player is not getting the $20. Please get this simple fact thru your thick heads. The simple fact that it is $20 donation to SE makes it NOT RMT.

[MomomiMomi]

Even if the cash shop sold in-game gil for $20, it is still not RMT, because the other player is not getting the $20. Please get this simple fact thru your thick heads. The simple fact that it is $20 donation to SE makes it NOT RMT.

No. What you're describing is illegal RMT. However, both are RMT.

[Renik]

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If you check when they make the bans public, buyers and sellers get banned alike, RMT is a 2 direction crime, the one buying is as guilty as the one selling, and just because they buy from SE it doesn't make it less RMT.

If no one is getting banned it's because this was a mistake from SE, they still think we are more friends than customers...

[NyarukoW]

No. What you're describing is illegal RMT. However, both are RMT.

There is no illegal RMT or legal RMT. The strong arm of the law does NOT apply here, only SE's TOS, unless there is some serious money laundering scheme going on thru in game currency.

SE selling service, items, subscription is all about getting in-game stuff for real money, that is SE basic mode of operation. There is no RMT going on there. RMT is when players trying to use SE's system converting in-game value (currency, items, etc.) to real life value (currency, services etc.). That is when it become a RMT.

Just because money, currency, etc. are fungible does not make them RMT. Because if you can not separate this out, then given that everyone knows time=money, then time spent in game is RMT too, which is a ridiculous notion. Have real life money spent/donated/invested(more like lost) in game is not RMT. As long as SE is only allowing players to buy-in and never cash-out it can not be RMT.

... and just because they buy from SE it doesn't make it less RMT. ...

Paying SE your subscription is RMT too then. Seriously people, such broken definitions make no sense. As far as the game is concerned, SE is the only place you should be allowed to spend real life money on. Buying stuff from SE is just just SE providing service,items, enhancements, content, all as part of the game. I don't have to like pay-to-win, or the cash shop, but SE selling stuff can not possibly be construed as RMT.