Summoner Reborn - "Remade"

[Akiza]

The problem with the Summoner is SE wanted to make them a dps but they made them a DoT Class. DoT is pure crowd control and since this game uses the holy trinity DoT classes should be regulated to healing. Unless SE adds a Support Role the Summoner should get rebuilt from the ground up in order to stay damage dealing. The Summoner should be separated from the Arcanist and become a Pure Summoner using Summoning magic and revolve around the Summons.

[SakuraMacpherson1]

The problem with the Summoner is SE wanted to make them a dps but they made them a DoT Class. DoT is pure crowd control and since this game uses the holy trinity DoT classes should be regulated to healing. Unless SE adds a Support Role the Summoner should get rebuilt from the ground up in order to stay damage dealing. The Summoner should be separated from the Arcanist and become a Pure Summoner using Summoning magic and revolve around the Summons.

I agree with you. problem also lies with crappy cross-skill system we have . look they could rebuild that so that summoner/scholar gain white-mage cross-class skills. so its like no loose situation. meaning ya we lost psyheal/raise for better damage. but we still can use raise/cure from whm .

honestly threat reduction isnt needed and raging strikes is a lose but welcome it if we did more over all damage

[SakuraMacpherson1]

Arguement stands firm:

we only have 3 pets only one is useful cause single ability

Ifirit sucks
titan only used when solo and he also sucks
garada - decent damage with one ability that is useful rest of them suck!

when did a summoner class only be able summon 3 pets. when did they become so pathetic looking to point embaressed showed my friend what ifirt looks like in this game. he too said nope thats not a ifirt

do know why ppl role scholar not just because healing wise. its because they are better then summoner. no one wants a summoner in there party. rather have a bird or black-mage cause they do better job

do you why ppl choice scholar over summoner simple scholars are better then summoner's hence no one wants to play them.

my summoner is overgeared compared to my scholar. and out total playability the scholar can solo better then summoner. when i can sit there surrounded by 10-20 monsters healing myself still not die and end up winning that fight. yes there trash. can summoner even hope fight that many no. not with shitty 5 min unkindle that shames the name that they carry.. this sucks not only one whom sees this come on!

[Bacent]

Arguement stands firm:

we only have 3 pets only one is useful cause single ability

Ifirit sucks
titan only used when solo and he also sucks
garada - decent damage with one ability that is useful rest of them suck!

when did a summoner class only be able summon 3 pets. when did they become so pathetic looking to point embaressed showed my friend what ifirt looks like in this game. he too said nope thats not a ifirt


do know why ppl role scholar not just because healing wise. its because they are better then summoner. no one wants a summoner in there party. rather have a bird or black-mage cause they do better job

do you why ppl choice scholar over summoner simple scholars are better then summoner's hence no one wants to play them.

my summoner is overgeared compared to my scholar. and out total playability the scholar can solo better then summoner. when i can sit there surrounded by 10-20 monsters healing myself still not die and end up winning that fight. yes there trash. can summoner even hope fight that many no. not with shitty 5 min unkindle that shames the name that they carry.. this sucks not only one whom sees this come on!

Wow, way to grab blind facts there. Did I not say I'd rather have a summoner over a black mage before? Oh, why yes I did. I'd even more so love to have a summoner and bard over two black mages.


While you say ifrit sucks, he does have a stun ability, while tricky to use, it can come in handy for some boss fights if there's no one who can stun in time (Crimson Cyclone)

Why are you having a difficult time 'soloing' as a summoner? Maybe you don't fully know your class? While with Scholar it's just DOT DOT DOT DOT DOT DOT DOT DOT DOT DOT while you let your pet do all the healing. It's kind of brainless with killing stuff solo as a scholar. Swiftcast + Summon exists for a reason, and you can bring titan in when you might be in a pinch. You do know you can heal Titan's HP by 8% every few seconds with a pet regen, right?

And honestly your 'defence' for why summoner 'sucks' isn't very strong to begin with.

[Robert_Ilcri]

You guys keep going on and on about it being a DoT class, which isn't as good as other DPS... Do you keep forgetting your Fester ability or what -.- This is a skill that does anywhere from 900 base to 1500 crit without a raging strikes depending on the RNG. And it can be used three times within 30 seconds. If you have used Contagion to keep all your DoTs up to make use of those bam. Heck if you have Aetherflow at the ready you can pull six of those off within a minute (Re putting dots up in between cool downs.)

It honestly feels like the only reason you guys are complaining about the class is because it's not some ungodly burst damage class "like in other Final Fantasy games". Well this isn't another FF game. This isn't FF11 which you so seem to love considering your other posts. Also, don't patronize me about summoners like you did in a couple of your other posts, I've played these games before.

As for what you mentioned with them being removed from the Arcanist class job line... Why? Scholar didn't even USED to exist, Arcanists have always led to Summoner. Everything you keep proposing would mean drastically changing EVERYTHING about them in game. This includes basic skills, the class quests, the job quests, and the Lore already written into the game.

Do you ever think before posting Sakura? You just whine about their damage but honestly it just feels like you want to have the ability to out DPS anyone and not have to pull support if it's needed.

[SakuraMacpherson1]

Robert in raid's specially in 24 man runs boss's can only accept so much dot's until there immune it. 100% correct when i say this it has be your dots that effect fester not someone else's while this huge compitation in speed. you cannot always pull off all 3 of your dots on the boss at all times with mix of you dodging aoe's placing pets asborb damage situational. and ressing the dead so to speak as you so put it.

Debuff cap is breached in most 8/24 man raid runs. making your fester lose damage if your not fast enough that is. you have add in the fact having high cast-time's with high-global cool-downs. and constantly moving out of aoe's watch we do not have excape button like other classes most likely hit by them if we do not pop sprint. constantly have issue's keeping these dot's up. now if they were instant cast. you would have strong agruement but fact is we have stop cast spell 2.5 or less cast time. watch makes us a target mind you. yes fester damage is high. limited shots and fact unkindled is over shadowed by fester. makes this class enough more a joke


Proof is here ->
in final fantasy 7 did fire III did as much damage as knights of the round why? cause it was a summon. why should something that has been tranditional final fantasy result in this? wow warlock copy? cause its mmo-> nope not gonna happen. if your gonna call a class a summoner then need look at why people enjoyed this class from the start. not show us time-mage with summoning abilitys

does a black mage have fire something in solo battle one on one? gain fire III no they dont do they have wait 5 mins on lvl50 skill only do peanut damage unkindles...no they use flare when every they want too as long they have the mana

would hear me bitch if unkindled did over 4500-5000 damage no why cause it has 5 min cool-down during those 5 mins within blm aoe rotations they still do 3 times as much damage

ok bane has its limits most i ever seen it effect is 3 targets at most. by the time you finished Miasma Bio lost 3 seconds when you cast bio miama lost 1 second. you use bane only hit up 2-3 targets at most, see where going here "time" you need time. dot class isn't what a summoner so post to be this is a time mage

everything about this class simply screams time-mage. your pet gives you 15 seconds on your damage-over time! you have pet heal that heals over time. all your abilitys deal damage over time.you have uselessly ruin that can blind. that is canceled out by paladins flash type blind

Swift-cast a Fire III yay i got a more powerful fester

[Robert_Ilcri]

Uh... You're wrong about the DoT thing. Your DoTs may not SHOW up on the bosses bar, but they are still THERE. They just aren't showing up due to the number of things up, that's all. You really think SE would limit things like that? If you do then just wow -_-

Once again you're comparing this game to other FF games... once again, this is an MMORPG and not, I repeat NOT a single player game. 4500-5000 damage? That's waaay to much for any character to have at their disposal even if it were on five minutes. Enkindle really just needs a time adjustment and it'd be fine. Rouse + Spur + Enkindle, it deals all kinds of damage from Garuda/Ifrit.

You need to look into the lore of the game to see why Summoners are built as they are currently... You are going on about how they are in other games, but aren't considering the story behind them in THIS game. It work's fine enough as is...

[Walnootje]

@Robert_Ilcri i am amazed you even bother to argue with SakuraMacpherson1, In the past OP has made alot of these so called class reworks/reborn/revamped w/e *3* and new class ideas which was very unbalanced to the point of OP. Folks that disagree with him/her was just flamed. It went wrong to the point mods has to remove OP post.

As far i can see is his/her idea's are just trollbaits.

[Robert_Ilcri]

The main reason I say anything is cause there are some people who will take her seriously. But yeah, it really is just obvious trolling at this point.

[Akiza]

If you look the WoW Warlock what happened it died after Burning Crusade. Back when MMORPG's like DCUO and Everquest had a dedicated support role DoT classes were needed because they filled the controller role in parties and raids and can control entire encounters. Final Fantasy XIV A Realm Reborn doesn't have a support role so Crowd Control gets spread across other dps making DoT dps useless. There is no point in bringing a DoT class to raids unless groups want gimp dps and a Summoner they have to carry. No matter how good a Summoner is they can't compete against other dps classes and have to be carried through SCOB and FCOB. With 2.4 the inherent weakness in the Summoner are magnified. An ilvl 110 Summoner gets easily outclassed by other dps with the same or lower gear and when there is ilvl 130 Summoner vs another ilvl 130 dps the gap turns into a chasm they can't be crossed. DoT damage dealers either have to be insanely op to be viable for endgame raiding or content that actually matters or be regulated to healing. WoW failed at making the DoT class a dps with the Warlock how is SE going to make Summoner work if they don't want it to be insanely op or have raid utility. Summoner either needs a massive amount of raid utility to justify bringing them along in Raids or become a Pure Summoner using Summoning Magic and revolving around the Summon.