Please do something about the Skill Points!

[Jabo]

Why are you doing an r40 leve at r50 when you're already at cap?

It is my shield rank. I get Shield (rank 50) and Thaumaturge (rank 33) skill points.

@Felis
I also get the same amount of skill points for both, but not when you are 33 and do a rank 40 leve.
Skill Points are capped to your rank. Rank 50 = 4.500sp, rank 33 = 3000sp for the very same leve, with the very same class.
So it is not about sentinel getting more sp's, it is about a higher rank granting you more skill points, while it makes finishing the leve much easier.
easy = good sp, difficult = bad skill points.

You get benefits for choosing the easy way.

To say some additional word.
It is a big deal, because it makes grinding (or playing in general) very boring.
And why not give us an option.
Fast, easy, many vs. Slow, defficult, few.

SP/h could be the same, if it really has to, but it most definitely should not be much worse, like it is now.

[Viridiana]

I'm a 33 THM

easy mode: killing rank 43 mob = 225 sp
challenging: killing rank 48 mob = 225 sp

easy mode: 2 star leve in 2,5min = 4000sp
challenging: 4 star leve in 2,5min = 4000sp

same rank 40 leve
challenging as hell: with rank 33 = 3300sp
easy mode: with rank 50 = 4800sp

Why are we being punished for winning tough fights where you need to play skillfull

Two questions about this part (assuming this is your THM vs. SEN sp). First, are you sure that it wasn't 3200 and 4800? Second, were you using aspect? I ask because I just did a behest at Cedarwood (r35 recommended) with 30 GLA and 36 SEN and my SEN sp was exactly 1.5x my GLA. Then, doing leves and using aspect, I was getting equal sp between the two.

Basically, I'm thinking this might just be the game always giving Sentinel the benefit of 1.5x sp when you get rewards (i.e., leves and behests). . .

[Krychek]

I agree with the OP, the point is that grinding raptors is BORING AS HELL. There's no challenge in it, it's extremely easy and fast.
If I have to grind for hours I'd rather do something engaging, not battles that make me sleepy, so I'm looking for something a bit harder and battles a bit longer that require the use of some skill, not just Multishot. But if those battles are giving me less sp then it's really pointless.
I've never comared FFXIV to XI, but in this case FFXI grind was fun, it required a good party, the use of a lot of skills and the average time it took to kill a mob was fine. The levelling process was too slow (at least when I used to play) but you had fun while grinding and you had a glimpse of the role of your class.

I have to say, I think guildleves grind was more fun than raptors, at least we had to do something different in every leve (necrologos, defending, etc) it got boring because of the Broken Water thing.

I totally agree reward things that are more challenge and engaging not less like it is now, while I haven't made it that far I already see it being easier to grind mobs that give lower SP's compared to tougher mobs that give only slightly more since you can kill the lower ones faster and make more SP per hour.

It just isn't any fun and I also agree grinding in XI was fun for me, while when whitegate areas came into the fold it did get a bit easy mode but before that it was quite challenging it doesn't need to be to that extreme as it was theres a good balance to be had and XIV certainly doesn't have it. If XI's grinding was anything like this I wouldn't have played it for the years that I did.

Again its not about wanting XI here but its about wanting a challenge and at LEAST being rewarded on a equal level not a less one.

[Jabo]

Two questions about this part (assuming this is your THM vs. SEN sp). First, are you sure that it wasn't 3200 and 4800? Second, were you using aspect? I ask because I just did a behest at Cedarwood (r35 recommended) with 30 GLA and 36 SEN and my SEN sp was exactly 1.5x my GLA. Then, doing leves and using aspect, I was getting equal sp between the two.

Basically, I'm thinking this might just be the game always giving Sentinel the benefit of 1.5x sp when you get rewards (i.e., leves and behests). . .

It could have been 3200, yes and I used guardians aspect.
Behests are, like Quests, most definitely rank capped, because they have nothing to do with the time.
I did rank 45 behests and got less skill points than in Caderwood.
Same story.

[Viridiana]

It could have been 3200, yes and I used guardians aspect.
Behests are, like Quests, most definitely rank capped, because they have nothing to do with the time.
I did rank 45 behests and got less skill points than in Caderwood.
Same story.

Well, then. . . that's just silly. >_>

[Crimzon]

I think the reason you are getting 2 different numbers if because you are rank 33 and not rank 35, trying to do r40 leves. I could have sworn somewhere, that they raised the level they unlock to the 5's (15,25,35) from the 3's in order to make it uniform with DoL leves. If you didn't already have another job higher than your 33, I really dont think these leves would even be open to you yet.

I think I also read that completing these leves outside of that 5 level gap (34 and below for example on a r40 leve) would yield less reward via completion bonus at the end. Your shield level is high enough to qualify for full bonus so maybe that is why you are getting the full amount?

[Seirra_Lanzce]

lol sad, i did a 5 star leve at r40 camps while i was still Rnk44 LNC and got my self 6.8k SP (ofcourse with Guardian Favor) and 5.2k(without guardian favor) :P hmm yea they need to be balance abit for sake of fairness >_<

[Keith_Dragoon]

I think the reason you are getting 2 different numbers if because you are rank 33 and not rank 35, trying to do r40 leves. I could have sworn somewhere, that they raised the level they unlock to the 5's (15,25,35) from the 3's in order to make it uniform with DoL leves. If you didn't already have another job higher than your 33, I really dont think these leves would even be open to you yet.

I think I also read that completing these leves outside of that 5 level gap (34 and below for example on a r40 leve) would yield less reward via completion bonus at the end. Your shield level is high enough to qualify for full bonus so maybe that is why you are getting the full amount?

Exactly this, on my 36 conjurer I get like 4.5k sp per 40 leve but my 33 shield gets like 2-3k sp per leve because its not quite at the right rank. Its not that you are not being rewarded for your hard work its more like your are being punished for doing something that under normal circumstances wouldn't be available to you for 2 levels or so.

[Jabo]

@Crimzon
1. I know how it works.
Thats the problem in fact. That we are forced to take the easy way.


2. You can do r40 leves with your first rank 33 class.

rank 13 unlocks rank 20 camps
rank 23 unlocks rank 30 camps
rank 33 unlocks rank 40 camps

[Keith_Dragoon]

@Crimzon
2. You can do r40 leves with your first rank 33 class.

rank 13 unlocks rank 20 camps
rank 23 unlocks rank 30 camps
rank 33 unlocks rank 40 camps

incorrect sir, I did not get access to R40 leves until I hit 35, it has been changed.

R15 - R20 camps
R25 - R30 camps
R35 - R40 camps

Thats the new requirements.