So the zodiac upgrades... (kind of ranty post)

[NorthernLadMSP]

They're easy to get. Time consuming, yes. Difficult? No. Therefore, they are casual weapons.

Whatever you say. I know plenty of raiders doing FCOB that wouldn't touch the insane relic quest with a ten foot pole.

[Fated]

Whatever you say. I know plenty of raiders doing FCOB that wouldn't touch the insane relic quest with a ten foot pole.

^ Sums it up pretty well and I'm one of them. It's almost like a little slice of old school Korean MMORPGs and FFXI rolled together in one.

[Fynlar]

This is not true. I'm casual, taking my time working on t10, and these relic quests scare the shit out of me. Any1 doing these relic quests are in my eyes hardcore as it gets.

The ff14 community definition of hardcore confuses me a lot....

I can see why it confuses you, because you don't seem to understand that "casual" and "3rd coil" don't really belong in the same sentence. Anyone making any sort of headway into 3rd coil (and not just buying/leeching a win or whatever) is no casual player in my book.

For me personally, nothing about this quest feels particularly bad, whereas even 2nd coil is scary as shit for me, let alone 3rd. Yes, it's a lot of work. But not one aspect of it thus far has been particularly difficult, which is what makes it casual-friendly.

[Tupsi]

^ Sums it up pretty well and I'm one of them. It's almost like a little slice of old school Korean MMORPGs and FFXI rolled together in one.

Incorrect - In XI I at least benefited from working on Relic/Mythic/Empyrean because the content you had to do for it actually progressed your character in the same sitting - In XIV, I gain -zero- benefit from spamming Fates, low level dungeons, waiting 2-5 hour+ Fate spawns that's no different from your basic FATE and then spamming maps and more dungeons that serve no purpose to my progression for a piece of alexandrite. At least with XI Relic, I did Dynamis and gained gear that's useful (at the time) and had the option of selling currency I didn't need and even earned a refund to pass off to a friend or make 20-30mil+. With Mythics I gained Nyzul/Einherjar gear and ZNM gear. With Empyrean I gained my much used Empyrean Armor sets until Adoulin released.

With XIV...yeah it's more Korean style than anything.

[Eardstapa]

Snipped the rest, sorry Tupsi. With XIV...yeah it's more Korean style than anything.

This right here is the sad, unfortunate truth. Of course, I am betting someone will argue that you're gaining Poetics for running dungeons! ... Not really the same thing. XI relics were fun, despite lockouts in certain content for a while.

[Prototype909]

This right here is the sad, unfortunate truth. Of course, I am betting someone will argue that you're gaining Poetics for running dungeons! ... Not really the same thing. XI relics were fun, despite lockouts in certain content for a while.

I dunno if I'd say they were fun (The grind was still unreal), but they were "Profitable and allowed you to pursue multiple gear milestones at once" would probably be a better phrasing imo.

[Eardstapa]

I dunno if I'd say they were fun (The grind was still unreal), but they were "Profitable and allowed you to pursue multiple gear milestones at once" would probably be a better phrasing imo.

I'd say they were fun merely due to the fact players actually wanted to work together, where as in this game it's literally... If you don't have a static, or people who want to play with you in your FC, you're quite literally, SOL. Because then the time factor soars... Where as in XI it wasn't too hard to find people, but God help you if you screwed someone over after they helped you...

[Prototype909]

Whatever you say. I know plenty of raiders doing FCOB that wouldn't touch the insane relic quest with a ten foot pole.

Why would they, if they can clear Coil they don't need to waste time pursuing Relic - that's the entire point. If you aren't doing Coil you probably have a lot of free time assuming you are still playing the game often, that's why it's a grind. You're not sinking X amount of hours into learning/clearing content, you're sinking X amount of hours into facerolling through lesser content and hoping for RNG to work out. It's a fair trade.

[Sessurea]

Why would they, if they can clear Coil they don't need to waste time pursuing Relic - that's the entire point. .

Even if your clearing coil, you got rngesus working his tricks.

I will happily use 115 shiva bow until I either get ironworks weap from coil/ct3. And really, it's not that bad to just wait for the easier options, coz let's face it, ff is like 90% mechanics, 10% dps check anyways? Relic can just.....yh.