[Helper System]Just What We Needed, Nothing That We Wanted

[Jodou]

* If there are one to four players in your party replaying a turn, only a single treasure coffer will appear.

This needs adjusting to allow at least 1 'helper' in coil without penalty or else the system is just DOA. I fail to see how penalizing a party for trying to learn a fight by having an experienced vet come in 'helps' anything. I was ready to abandon my alt from gearing up to help our fledgling coil groups but it seems that was just the dream.

Please SE, re-evaluate this so I can help people on my main.

[Teppie]

Yeah that seems incredibly excessive, it seems like you're punishing newbies for being new more than anything, it's already established that the veteran can't even get anything so it's not like they're double dipping. If anything it should be something like 3-5 1 Chest, 6-7 None, to prevent people selling runs for loot, but to let people have a half pre made run newbies through.

[Cyrus-Wallace]

I was thinking the same. So, if one single person helps them, and they win... they get 1 chest only? .-. How is that even fair?!

[Steady]

I was thinking the same. So, if one single person helps them, and they win... they get 1 chest only? .-. How is that even fair?!

I understand their logic. If they didn't, any time you added one person who cleared it, you suddenly not only have help of someone who cleared it, but ALSO better drop rates than everyone else.

So your better off having half the group having got through it.

That's the new cost of learning. This is on par with what I assumed they were doing.

[Marxam]

* If there are one to four players in your party replaying a turn, only a single treasure coffer will appear.

This needs adjusting to allow at least 1 'helper' in coil without penalty or else the system is just DOA. I fail to see how penalizing a party for trying to learn a fight by having an experienced vet come in 'helps' anything. I was ready to abandon my alt from gearing up to help our fledgling coil groups but it seems that was just the dream.

Please SE, re-evaluate this so I can help people on my main.

one player = no penalty
two to four players = 1 chest
five to seven = no chest

I agree that you need to have one person max before you start taking away loot. With they way it currently is I see no reason to bring in someone who has cleared a turn since you literally penalize us by reducing our odds at loot by 50%.

[Jodou]

I agree that you need to have one person max before you start taking away loot. With they way it currently is I see no reason to bring in someone who has cleared a turn since you literally penalize us by reducing our odds at loot by 50%.

My biggest concern in all this is WHICH chest goes poof? Is it random? Is it the one with carboncoat/twine?

This needed much better explanation. . .

[Steady]

one player = no penalty
two to four players = 1 chest
five to seven = no chest

I agree that you need to have one person max before you start taking away loot. With they way it currently is I see no reason to bring in someone who has cleared a turn since you literally penalize us by reducing our odds at loot by 50%.

They are complaining that you get the penalty the moment you have 1 extra person... unless your suggesting it tweaked to your statement.

But then again, it goes back to... why should one group have better odds than another for drops? 7 people for 2 chests is better odds than 8.

There's really no reason to use this system unless you have half the group being veterans (which is typically how you'd do clear stuff for other content anyhow), or if you were trying to get your win at the last minute and needed to get a ringer.

[Cyrus-Wallace]

My biggest concern in all this is WHICH chest goes poof? Is it random? Is it the one with carboncoat/twine?

This needed much better explanation. . .

I think one chests holds 1 armor piece + tomestone and the other one holds 1 armor piece + oil. (Yeah, I still call them like that). I also think any of these two can pop...

[Jodou]

Just thought of another reason this needs to be addressed: all too often we've had one of our core raiders have to cancel that night, which sends our raid scrambling to fill the slot. Under this system, our options are lose a chest or lose a night of raiding.

Terrible compromise. : \

[Yukiko]

it seems like you're punishing newbies for being new more than anything

Just that, nothing to add here...
Fighting the RNG is already bad enough and now falling behind even more just because getting some "help"?

We have 2 Situations:
a) FC friends coming to help
b) Randoms coming to help

While SE fears too much about first point, with the fight against RNG they force us to only group with friends! I do not see any reason to call for "helpers" because strategy is well known and "one" alone does not help much to survive onshots, "one" alone can not win a coil fight... I will tell you: many groups will write (please not finished this week) in partyfinder!