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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukotaku View Post
    Which is ridicolous for those like me who spent a lot of time and gils to gear up their crafting jobs. So, why don't we put Mastercraft Demimateria and High Allagan gear directly available at a NPC vendor for a bunch of gils next?

    This is beyond stupidity.
    I'm sorry you feel that way, but it's important for a game to provide ways for newer people to catch up. Them being able to get it easier won't change that there's still going to be new hard content, nor will it change that you were able to accomplish back when this was considered the hard content.


    And guess what, the people who benefit from this will end up going for the new hard content, work hard for it, and see it get nerfed somewhere in the future for the next-next generation of new people so they can catch up too (and some of them will feel the same way you do, while others won't care because thanks to price fluctuations and people moving on, it'll be difficult for those newer people to catch up if the game didn't get any nerfs to help them).

    It's no different than when new token systems are added while older token systems get eased, or when older dungeons/raids get nerfed. New people want to be able to play too; it doesn't change what the older players accomplished.
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    Relic: Question is, will it shine!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KuraiKiserogeru View Post
    Relic: Question is, will it shine!
    Hoping for pictures of new relics, I wanna know ahead of time whether I'll like them or not. D:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keisatsu View Post
    Hoping for pictures of new relics, I wanna know ahead of time whether I'll like them or not. D:
    Yep, I'm not 100% into the look of Excalibur and who knows what the Aegis Shield looks like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KuraiKiserogeru View Post
    Relic: Question is, will it shine!
    From the previous blog post on PLD Excalibur, I assume that it won't shine >.<
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    Quote Originally Posted by KuraiKiserogeru View Post
    Relic: Question is, will it shine!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KuraiKiserogeru View Post
    Relic: Question is, will it shine!
    This stage will propably lose it just like Atma and final one will bring it back, i mean this cannot be final stage yet as it ended just being ilvl125. Tbh its kinda wierd that it already didnt match with augmentet IW weapons, maybe it gets "hotfix" when tomes/upgrade items will start to drop from CT3 as othervise it would huge middlefinger for all relic grinders, and final stage will mostlikely make it on par with Dreadwyrms just before expansion.
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    Kakita Ucalibur
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synestra View Post
    This stage will propably lose it just like Atma and final one will bring it back, i mean this cannot be final stage yet as it ended just being ilvl125. Tbh its kinda wierd that it already didnt match with augmentet IW weapons, maybe it gets "hotfix" when tomes/upgrade items will start to drop from CT3 as othervise it would huge middlefinger for all relic grinders, and final stage will mostlikely make it on par with Dreadwyrms just before expansion.
    The new stage likely to stay i125 in order to keep the alternating upgrade path.

    Nexus -> IW -> Legendary Relic -> AIW -> Legendary Relic +1/Dreadwyrm -> Heavensward Raid weapon

    They don't want a repeat of 2.0 where people ignored T5 because they already have an i90 weapon and 2.3's calls of "Ignore the Relic just do ST and get an Unaligned Tomestone and Sands of Time."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squintina View Post
    Ecc...
    Not really. For what it concerns crafting the lower cost of the materials on the broker is already a nerf. Regarding Coil/Primals is basically the same, the basic progression of the gear (Allagan Tomestones) is a nerf of all the previous fights. "Hard content" has to be a challenge, a challenge has to be an obstacle to overcome. Players trying to do Coil and the Trials EX should enjoy themself by breaking these walls, like with sports. If you keep lowering the difficulty of the game, making radical modifications, you will definitely get troubles later on... those "New Players" will never be at the same level of the rest because of their previous experience. All of this will also harm the player base in the endgame. You don't know how many times I saw farm parties in T7 being able to kill Melusine, after the 2.4 patch, just thanks to the nerfs Square Enix applied.

    Edit: Can't include the quote to your post because of the maximum characters limit on the forum.
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    Last edited by Tsukotaku; 12-09-2014 at 04:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukotaku View Post
    Not really.
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    All of this will also harm the player base in the endgame. You don't know how many times I saw farm parties in T7 being able to kill Melusine, after the 2.4 patch, just thanks to the nerfs Square Enix applied.
    That just means they didn't nerf T7 at the right pace. Imagine if all T's were as hard as they always were. Thanks to older players wanting to move on to newer content, newer players still trying to clear older content would end up hopelessly trying to catch up. The same applies to crafting. It has to have its progression nerfed too - it just means they shouldn't nerf it again for a while. This one is enough for now.
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