How do I find a static raid group?

[Ophie-Mio]

But the T12 people they don't want nothing to do with us filthy casuals. They let us know it too.

Even if this is true, which I doubt, not everyone who can farm T9 wants to wipe at heavensfall (or meteors as I did last night) for 4+ hrs while you try to carry someone through. My time matters to me too. I'm not exclusively at the service of others, which by your other forum posts you say that a lot of raiders should be.

They don't want to spend time to help others learn and practice.

Once again, this isn't true. Third coil raiders do not have to help people going through T9. People who are currently on T9 can learn it and clear it together. That being said, I have seen plenty of raiders helping people with their T5 clears and their T9 clears. The only difference with T9 is that if you're carried through it, you'll be stopped dead at T10 because you'll have no idea how to do anything.

They just want to take and do NOT want to put in and help. The leader is may actually be trying to help everyone, but it take only one with a bad attitude to mess it up for the group.

Once again, statics are not designed for this. Statics are designed for people to come together, play at 100% and complete the raid. If we get a dps who can't give us 100%, it isn't personal but we have to kick them. We all have goals and we cannot teach new people every time. We are not NPCs for their use to get them through any Turn.

The leader may be trying to help everyone but there is a saying where if you try to please everyone, you'll please no one. My first static split because our leader kept trying to be friendly and give our WHM a chance. We couldn't even clear T6 because he just couldn't heal it. Did we deserve to be held back because of one person? No. So guess what? Because the leader concerned himself with the need of one, he lost his entire group.
As I said before, statics are compromised of people with the same goals. If not everyone is as dedicated to that goal, they will find a group or a person who is.

[NyarukoW]

... time matters to me too. I'm not exclusively at the service of others, which by your other forum posts you say that a lot of raiders should be.
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I've always made it very clear that time is a limiting factor and it would be nice if people can help when they can, I've never said they should be "exclusively at the service of others." Go find me a post where I've ever made such an unreasonable claim. I only ask that people have a better attitude, be more empathetic, and be more inclusive.

[Atomnium]

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Enough please, could you calm down a bit? You spent the last months on this forum to give a very bad image of the midcore/raiders playerbase, I couldn't even recall the incredible amount of times you did it! Sometimes yelling about clear-sellers conspiracy, sometimes by just making them looking like "enemies" to casual players...
According to this :

•Posting that constitutes discrimination against another forum member or group (also including forming groups for the purpose of discrimination), insults, slander, libel, harassment of a group or individual.
•Posting aimed to create a negative impact on the community or its members.

+ this :

But the T12 people they don't want nothing to do with us filthy casuals. They let us know it too.

It mean that you are actually violating this forum rules, once again.

I'm asking for a moderator to take actions please, the forum should be a safe place without any kind of hates.

[NyarukoW]

...It mean that you are actually violating this forum rules, once again.

I'm asking for a moderator to take actions please, the forum should be a safe place without any kind of hates.

What rule am I violating for reporting on what I see in game. I am not hating on anyone. This is so nonsensical.

In which universe is asking people to be more empathetic, inclusive, and try not treat the new/enewer players with contempt "Posting aimed to create a negative impact on the community or its members. "? Seriously distorting the facts here.

And let me state again, there is no conspiracy about clear sellers, they are motivated by clear and obvious incentives and they are ethically deficient. What would be harder to prove because I don't have the data, is their connection to the RMTs. SE can certainly data mine and extract that. But you have to be naive to think that they don't help the RMT and possibly even get benefits from the RMT. The community should not be silently complicit with clear sellers and RMT nor should the community condone their bad behavior and negative impact to the game.

And as for:
"Posting that constitutes discrimination against another forum member or group (also including forming groups for the purpose of discrimination), insults, slander, libel, harassment of a group or individual "

You feel that honor of the raiders have been violated? I am not insulting, slander, or harassing any of them by asking the helpful raiders to step up an help out the OP, and take on an attitude that is more inclusive, supportive, and helpful so we can detoxify the community.

If anything, this thread is proof that there is more interest in harassing me and misrepresenting what I've written, than actual posts about offers for statics, FC, LS that would actually help the OP.

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... They were selfish and cocky, but that doesn't mean every single person who raids is like them. Some people WILL help new guys, the new guys just have to show them that they are willing to put in work.

I have not know anyone who wouldn't want to put in the effort. DF and PF only go so far. Time and scheduling and other logistics are usually the biggest hurdle, but it they can't even get a chance at demonstrating what that they will try to do because people are not being inclusive.

[Atomnium]

And let me state again, there is no conspiracy about clear sellers, they are motivated by clear and obvious incentives. What would be harder to prove because I don't have the data, is their connection to the RMTs. But you have to be naive to think that they don't help the RMT and possibly even get benefits from the RMT.

... I don't even know what to say seriously, it been several months I didn't saw such offending quotes with a shorcut like : "clear-seller & RMT = working together"

You feel that honor of the raiders have been violated?

Yes.

Anyway, I'm leaving this thread, I wish good luck to the OP and hope that he may find a static in a near future.

[Ophie-Mio]

Oh god, here we go again... Ai Hana posting their conspiracy theories about how clear sellers are helping out the RMT or are RMT. I just have to roll my eyes at how your cracked out theories make it to almost every thread that involves endgame.

And you do slander the raiders, Hana. You say that half of us are clear sellers/RMT and the other half lazy assholes who don't bother to help. You're such a troll. I find it hilarious that you only have bard leveled (yet you say you have experience with T7 tanking) and yet complain about every facet of the end game community.

[Ghishlain]

There are two things you can do

(1) Build your own static - if you happen to know a tank + healer willing to come on board, that'll make the whole job a lot easier for you
(2) Prove your worth - Join primal PFs, show your worth to them, connect with one or two people who are basically going to save the run, see if you all can progress together as a group and expand from there.

I'm pretty sure you can get a T5 if you can get a few capable people that can carry the run and want a free 100 Sold *Hint hint!* then start progressing onto T9 from there.


Don't give up either. The worst thing you can do to yourself is give up if you want to progress. It may be hard to stay motivated, but do the best you can and keep trudging forward. It will probably take a month or two to get the right people on board to begin a real static or get recognition to join one. If you can get a T9 clear before 2.5 hits, that's put you in a position to join PuG PFs for Third Coil with the potential of securing a slot in an actual static as well.

Good luck with your endeavors. The path you wish to walk is a harsh one, but well worth it if you have the motivation.

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Oh god, here we go again... Ai Hana posting their conspiracy theories about how clear sellers are helping out the RMT or are RMT. I just have to roll my eyes at how your cracked out theories make it to almost every thread that involves endgame.

And you do slander the raiders, Hana. You say that half of us are clear sellers/RMT and the other half lazy assholes who don't bother to help. You're such a troll. I find it hilarious that you only have bard leveled (yet you say you have experience with T7 tanking) and yet complain about every facet of the end game community.

Apparnetly, Ai Hana is an alt because s/he doesn't want to reveal their actual main. I can't find the post directly quoting that though, it's somewhere under the mess of posts, heh.

[dejavutwo]

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You say you are asking for empathy, yet all your posts come across as "Raider are evil and are conspiring to keep the casual down!" Your not going to win any sympathy from raiders you want help from by insulting them and calling them ethically deficient while also accusing them of colluding with RMT.

I have helped a lot of people through Titan X, T5 and a handful through T9, and let me tell you, most of the time, it is not worth the headache. Hardly ever even so much as a "Thank You." Often times, when I go back to help learning groups that are asking for some experienced players, if I even try to offer advice I'm told "That's not what the video said." My favorite was when I was told assigning sides for people to stack on was a "Pro-Raider Strat and pet soak is better" despite our wipes being caused by people not running to the pets.

I don't mind the wipes, that comes with the learning, but be nice to the raiders too.

[NyarukoW]

You say you are asking for empathy, yet all your posts come across as "Raider are evil and are conspiring to keep the casual down!" ... but be nice to the raiders too.

Since when did I ever say all raiders are evil? Find that post. Otherwise it is all misrepresentation and false self-indignation. The fact of the matter is there has been no offers of FC, LS, or statics, in this thread or any other. Telling people to change servers, or be tank is not fair at all the players out there who are really trying.

.. So stop being pessimistic..

I am not being pessimistic, the evidence in these threads speak for themselves. More effort is put in to tell me to be quiet than actual help for the OP. I'll be the very first to admit that I've come across helpful raiders, because I wouldn't be making progress without their help, but for every 1 helpful raiders there are too many people that don't care about anyone else, and you see them in the those dozen or so PF that say "farm, no newbies wanted", "must have multiple clears", etc. etc., and then to top it off there is that PF from the clear seller advertising, which is really a slap to the faces of all the players who are trying to put their best foot forward.

[Ashkendor]

Since when did I ever say all raiders are evil? Find that post. Otherwise it is all misrepresentation and false self-indignation. The fact of the matter is there has been no offers of FC, LS, or statics, in this thread or any other. Telling people to change servers, or be tank is not fair at all the players out there who are really trying.

You haven't come out and said that they're evil per se, but you do constantly demonize the "elite" raiders in the vast majority of the posts from you that I've read. These posts range anywhere from accusing "them" (i.e. hardcore raiders) of being run sellers and/or involved with RMT to claiming that they not only are unwilling to help new people learn the content, but go out of their way to exclude them. Most of what you say is completely unfounded and doesn't really apply to most of the raiders I know. Hell, my group goes out of our way to help competent players get clears because it's fun and because the 100 soldiery bonus is pretty scrumptious. I've spent hours tanking Shiva EX learning and clear parties this past week. Tonight we helped a friend get a T8 clear. There's so many more. I really wish you'd look beyond the "elite vs casual" mentality and realize that we're all players, and more importantly, we're all people behind these keyboards. Our outlooks and attitudes are as widely varied as those of random people on the street, no matter what our raiding experience or lack thereof.

I am not being pessimistic, the evidence in these threads speak for themselves. More effort is put in to tell me to be quiet than actual help for the OP. I'll be the very first to admit that I've come across helpful raiders, because I wouldn't be making progress without their help, but for every 1 helpful raiders there are too many people that don't care about anyone else, and you see them in the those dozen or so PF that say "farm, no newbies wanted", "must have multiple clears", etc. etc., and then to top it off there is that PF from the clear seller advertising, which is really a slap to the faces of all the players who are trying to put their best foot forward.

People that want to learn are perfectly capable of making their own parties for players in the same boat. At some point, someone has to step up and be the one that puts the party out there on Party Finder. More often than not, a more experienced player will join to help out. As far as run sellers go, why is that a slap in the face? If people didn't pay for clears, there wouldn't be run sellers. There's always people with more gil than time (or skill, whichever the case may be) that are willing to pay for that kind of service. Players that want to learn are still left with the option to do so. People selling runs have no adverse effect on them whatsoever.

For what it's worth, on the previous game I played, one of the raiding statics I was in originated from the equivalent of a PF party. You never know who you'll meet or what will happen until you put yourself out there.