How do I find a static raid group?

[Ophie-Mio]

People on T12 don't want people just starting out on T10.

This is a lie. There are plenty of forming statics who post that they are willing to bring people up to speed. You just need to be at third coil ready status AND be able to put out your numbers.

"Really easy" is so NOT the case. The statics are hard to start, hard to find, and hard to keep together.

Statics are easy to start. You'll get a dozen tells from DPS alone. They are harder to keep together because all the players are sometimes starting from different places or are at different play abilities. Someone may be willing to be in a static if they've beaten T12 but they won't stick around if the group is being dragged down by one or two players that the leader won't be kicked out.
Once again, statics are most commonly business to people. Yes, some groups are compromised of friends but normally groups only are together/log in/communicate with each other only for raid.

It doesn't matter if the OP is working on T5 or T13

These fights are apple and oranges. You can literally carry four people through T5. T13, you cannot carry anyone. If OP started a PF right now asking for a T5 clear, he'd get people inside it. If he did the same thing for T13 clear, he would get nothing. People are not able to easily clear T13 and need people who they can rely on for it.

getting a static together with people that are more interested with only their own progression

Statics not compromised of friends are generally concerned with their own progression, yes. If someone hinders that, it isn't personal though. They're just removed from the group.

instead of how to build a community and how to help everyone play together is like herding cats.

Statics are not designed for this sort of thing. Statics are group based progression that generally cannot lend themselves to the progression of others in the same content due to lock outs. Some are more than willing to help with older content.

[NyarukoW]

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Statics are easy to start. You'll get a dozen tells from DPS alone.

That is a lie. I am in a LS focused on SCoB, mainly T9, and we are working on getting more people thru T9 so we can have multiple groups doing T10. But the T12 people they don't want nothing to do with us filthy casuals. They let us know it too.

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They are harder to keep together because all the players are sometimes starting from different places or are at different play abilities. Someone may be willing to be in a static if they've beaten T12 but they won't stick around if the group is being dragged down by one or two players that the leader won't be kicked out.

They don't want to spend time to help others learn and practice. They just want other people to be their NPCs working flawlessly like robots. That is an attitude problem with people. They just want to take and do NOT want to put in and help. The leader is may actually be trying to help everyone, but it take only one with a bad attitude to mess it up for the group.

These fights are apple and oranges. You can literally carry four people through T5. T13, you cannot carry anyone. If OP started a PF right now asking for a T5 clear, he'd get people inside it. If he did the same thing for T13 clear, he would get nothing. People are not able to easily clear T13 and need people who they can rely on for it.

I was trying to help people in my FC members clear T5 yesterday. Overall, 5 hours of waiting on the PF on the and 1 hour of wiping. The PF does not fill up anywhere close to fast, and I finally had to go beg and get nice volunteers T9 LS and 1-shot the darn thing for one of the lucky FC member, and they actually did not die in that clear. And T13, you can certainly forget about on the PF. It doesn't matter if it is T5 or T13 or anything else, if the attitude is to just your own and to hell with everyone else, it is very frustrating.

...This is the kind of attitude that will not get you a static...

And what attitude is that? The one that asks people to have more empathy and try to be more inclusive, and not treat new/newer player with contempt. I've been in statics and I've seen statics fall apart. My current static that was supposed to clear T9 like 3 weeks ago has got bunch of flakes and never got past the golems. I had to get my T9 clear with the LS people, the current static is probably going to disintegrate from the no-shows.

I can only imagine what is like for someone trying to crack T5 after multiple failed DFs and PFs and stuck waiting, and heck

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. I got into my static by coming across a static group that was 7/8 that happened to be farming Levi back when it was worth something.
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Garuda EX is like the same frustration. They can forget about doing Shiva EX now to try to meet with people. But what you do see is clear selling of T5+ and EX primals on the PF almost all the time.

..if you have no leadership qualities what so ever and also no dedication or determination to keep a team together and recruiting.

Nobody wants to be bossed around by some so called leader. And you can't have all chiefs either. Dedication and determination from one bossy person never works out, usually they earn a bad reputation as a dictator.

[Ophie-Mio]

But the T12 people they don't want nothing to do with us filthy casuals. They let us know it too.

Even if this is true, which I doubt, not everyone who can farm T9 wants to wipe at heavensfall (or meteors as I did last night) for 4+ hrs while you try to carry someone through. My time matters to me too. I'm not exclusively at the service of others, which by your other forum posts you say that a lot of raiders should be.

They don't want to spend time to help others learn and practice.

Once again, this isn't true. Third coil raiders do not have to help people going through T9. People who are currently on T9 can learn it and clear it together. That being said, I have seen plenty of raiders helping people with their T5 clears and their T9 clears. The only difference with T9 is that if you're carried through it, you'll be stopped dead at T10 because you'll have no idea how to do anything.

They just want to take and do NOT want to put in and help. The leader is may actually be trying to help everyone, but it take only one with a bad attitude to mess it up for the group.

Once again, statics are not designed for this. Statics are designed for people to come together, play at 100% and complete the raid. If we get a dps who can't give us 100%, it isn't personal but we have to kick them. We all have goals and we cannot teach new people every time. We are not NPCs for their use to get them through any Turn.

The leader may be trying to help everyone but there is a saying where if you try to please everyone, you'll please no one. My first static split because our leader kept trying to be friendly and give our WHM a chance. We couldn't even clear T6 because he just couldn't heal it. Did we deserve to be held back because of one person? No. So guess what? Because the leader concerned himself with the need of one, he lost his entire group.
As I said before, statics are compromised of people with the same goals. If not everyone is as dedicated to that goal, they will find a group or a person who is.

[NyarukoW]

... time matters to me too. I'm not exclusively at the service of others, which by your other forum posts you say that a lot of raiders should be.
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I've always made it very clear that time is a limiting factor and it would be nice if people can help when they can, I've never said they should be "exclusively at the service of others." Go find me a post where I've ever made such an unreasonable claim. I only ask that people have a better attitude, be more empathetic, and be more inclusive.

[Atomnium]

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Enough please, could you calm down a bit? You spent the last months on this forum to give a very bad image of the midcore/raiders playerbase, I couldn't even recall the incredible amount of times you did it! Sometimes yelling about clear-sellers conspiracy, sometimes by just making them looking like "enemies" to casual players...
According to this :

•Posting that constitutes discrimination against another forum member or group (also including forming groups for the purpose of discrimination), insults, slander, libel, harassment of a group or individual.
•Posting aimed to create a negative impact on the community or its members.

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But the T12 people they don't want nothing to do with us filthy casuals. They let us know it too.

It mean that you are actually violating this forum rules, once again.

I'm asking for a moderator to take actions please, the forum should be a safe place without any kind of hates.

[NyarukoW]

...It mean that you are actually violating this forum rules, once again.

I'm asking for a moderator to take actions please, the forum should be a safe place without any kind of hates.

What rule am I violating for reporting on what I see in game. I am not hating on anyone. This is so nonsensical.

In which universe is asking people to be more empathetic, inclusive, and try not treat the new/enewer players with contempt "Posting aimed to create a negative impact on the community or its members. "? Seriously distorting the facts here.

And let me state again, there is no conspiracy about clear sellers, they are motivated by clear and obvious incentives and they are ethically deficient. What would be harder to prove because I don't have the data, is their connection to the RMTs. SE can certainly data mine and extract that. But you have to be naive to think that they don't help the RMT and possibly even get benefits from the RMT. The community should not be silently complicit with clear sellers and RMT nor should the community condone their bad behavior and negative impact to the game.

And as for:
"Posting that constitutes discrimination against another forum member or group (also including forming groups for the purpose of discrimination), insults, slander, libel, harassment of a group or individual "

You feel that honor of the raiders have been violated? I am not insulting, slander, or harassing any of them by asking the helpful raiders to step up an help out the OP, and take on an attitude that is more inclusive, supportive, and helpful so we can detoxify the community.

If anything, this thread is proof that there is more interest in harassing me and misrepresenting what I've written, than actual posts about offers for statics, FC, LS that would actually help the OP.

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... They were selfish and cocky, but that doesn't mean every single person who raids is like them. Some people WILL help new guys, the new guys just have to show them that they are willing to put in work.

I have not know anyone who wouldn't want to put in the effort. DF and PF only go so far. Time and scheduling and other logistics are usually the biggest hurdle, but it they can't even get a chance at demonstrating what that they will try to do because people are not being inclusive.

[Atomnium]

And let me state again, there is no conspiracy about clear sellers, they are motivated by clear and obvious incentives. What would be harder to prove because I don't have the data, is their connection to the RMTs. But you have to be naive to think that they don't help the RMT and possibly even get benefits from the RMT.

... I don't even know what to say seriously, it been several months I didn't saw such offending quotes with a shorcut like : "clear-seller & RMT = working together"

You feel that honor of the raiders have been violated?

Yes.

Anyway, I'm leaving this thread, I wish good luck to the OP and hope that he may find a static in a near future.

[dejavutwo]

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You say you are asking for empathy, yet all your posts come across as "Raider are evil and are conspiring to keep the casual down!" Your not going to win any sympathy from raiders you want help from by insulting them and calling them ethically deficient while also accusing them of colluding with RMT.

I have helped a lot of people through Titan X, T5 and a handful through T9, and let me tell you, most of the time, it is not worth the headache. Hardly ever even so much as a "Thank You." Often times, when I go back to help learning groups that are asking for some experienced players, if I even try to offer advice I'm told "That's not what the video said." My favorite was when I was told assigning sides for people to stack on was a "Pro-Raider Strat and pet soak is better" despite our wipes being caused by people not running to the pets.

I don't mind the wipes, that comes with the learning, but be nice to the raiders too.

[Coatl]

They don't want to spend time to help others learn and practice.

There are soooo many resources to help learn and practice a fight. When I was new I did not wipe one time and cry for people to help me "learn" my EX primals and t1-4. There's Duty Finder you can use, which are filled with people who generally are helpful. There's Party finder in which you can make a learning party and learn away. I have even DFed T9 a few times and surprisingly most groups make it to heavensfall!

I'm sure we've all seen how selfish people can be though. The FC I was in had shiva on farm the first day she was released, but they wouldn't run with anyone else who didn't have it on farm. So pretty much everyone except 8-9 people were SOL in finding a decent shiva party. They were selfish and cocky, but that doesn't mean every single person who raids is like them. Some people WILL help new guys, the new guys just have to show them that they are willing to put in work.

[Barboron]

Nobody wants to be bossed around by some so called leader. And you can't have all chiefs either. Dedication and determination from one bossy person never works out, usually they earn a bad reputation as a dictator.

Proves my point further, no leadership qualities. Bossing someone around and leading a team aren't the same. You don't have to have "all chiefs" but dedication.
This is the "It's not my fault, it's everyone else's fault I don't have a static" attitude.

Garuda EX is like the same frustration. They can forget about doing Shiva EX now to try to meet with people. But what you do see is clear selling of T5+ and EX primals on the PF almost all the time.

So...just sit around for days, weeks, maybe months for someone else to set up a static?

For anyone else coming here for advice, this is a shining example of what not to be.