Thread: Bring back 1.0 Notorious Monsters please.

Originally Posted by Arkine

Unique monsters that appear in the middle of group of mobs of the same family. (A big Bat in the middle of a group of bats) That we can kill to get special items of various levels from.

1.0 rules: pops every 5-10 minutes, but won't pop if nobody kills the mobs in its location to spawn it, and it has a chance of dropping the loot.(25-100% depending)

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This would be fun to have as it would give players more ways to obtain leveling equipment and weapons. We can also have some high lvl ones with higher level items that don't compete with endgame loot. (Like lets say a Lv48 item that is iLv62) and of course glamor gear.

Those aren't hard to implement, so it can also introduce gear to carry people over to the new set of content. (NM Goblin, needs 2-3 people to kill, drops a Lv51 iLv95 Chest maybe? green quality, can't be sold or desynthed)

Equipment doesn't have to belong to sets, it can be just a unique item: NM A drops a helmet for WAR and nothing else, while NM B drops a Spear etc.

This system was replaced by FATEs when XIV came out and lets face it, nobody likes those.

I'd love to see NMs back!

After the crap that FFXI suffered from with this, I'm going to have to say a big resounding NO. Getting good gear from NMs was nice, buuuut, the really useful ones were either dropped by a NM with such a ridiculously low spawn rate (*cough* Roc and the Healing Staff *cough cough*), the item's drop rate was stupidly low (Mee Deggi and his stupid O Kote), heavily camped by bots, RMT and legitimate players (Charbdydis and the Joyuese), or, all of the above.

Case in point - Shikigami Weapon and the YingYang Robe, which on the old Midgardsormr server actually had a player linkshell set up exclusively to farm that one NM and they kept the NM's spawn window a closely guarded secret (they even named their ls after the NM, and boasted to anyone who would listen that they "guaranteed a YingYang Robe for all SMNs who join").

Anyone who wasn't in that ls who tried to camp the NM themselves would usually be MPKd by the members of that ls, and the GMs were powerless to act, explaining that legally they hadn't actually done anything wrong (keeping a spawn time secret is not a ToS violation, and the other players were so slippery, the ways they did their mpking were always just one step within the ToS).

The only time their evil monopoly was broken was when Midgardsormr was merged into Quetzalcoatl in 2010 - they tried to keep up their evil little cartel, but luckily Quetzalcoatl players didn't tolerate that kind of nonsense, and turned the tables back on them). But it's forever tainted FFXI for me and is a perfect example of why campable NMs which drop gear just doesn't work, and especially won't in FFXIV.

Originally Posted by Enkidoh

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As someone who hunted pretty much every NM in FFXI over their years in the game... Its not nearly as bad as you make it sound. Almost nowhere near as bad. You're describing HNMs, or NMs with 21-24 hour spawns or longer. Hes talking about 5-10minute repops. Huge difference.

HNM is not the same as NM, and 5-10 minutes is a far shot different than XI's NMs, all of which were generally either 1 hour~+ lottery or 21-24/3-7 day and such. (Its been a long time since i got my YYrobe actually, back when it was super heavily camped too.. never felt like i regretted camping it either, it was the most deliciously rewarding experience of my Summoner life)

Also, despite how badly some early HNMs were handled, I can't think of anyone who enjoyed FFXI for all those years would look back and say "Gee I wish FFXI never had open world NMs". A lot of people enjoyed the, even the obscure ones. I still have a f**kload of obscure NM items that had no real use. Bano Del Sol, Rain Hat, Mushroom Cap, Ascalon, are some of my most treasured and useless items... but I have plenty more, and theres no NM experience I think back on that was so awful I wish I had never done it. Even spending 7 hours camping that NM for Sirocco Kukri made it all the more sweeter when I had that weapon. Camping Mee Deggi and being outclaimed made it all the sweeter when I get the Ochimusha Kote them years later. Nothing about it I regret, and at the end of the day hunting obscure random useless NMs with my friends are some of my most charished memories of XI... and if adding them in XIV did nothing but help low level players and offer vanity gear, effectively making it optional for you... why would you care if they were added? What effect would they even have on your Dungeon runs or Coil?

None, literally none. Also, people liked 1.0 NMs, I admit just as many likely didn't like them, but they made the open world a bit more... living and exciting.

Originally Posted by Shougun

Its generally* not the same experience... Hunt = FATE ;(

Yah, Hunts are basically... FATEs without a circle on the map. A swarm of people murdering a mob who ultimately your actions mean very little is not what NMs are about, these things also offer no rewards outside of more token currency that dungeons offer. S ranks are actually a real neat idea too, special spawn conditions, tough, etc. They'd be pretty perfect if they rewarded you with something other than... a line of text patting you on the back with a handful of tomes, Yipeee... a dungeons worth of tomes... yay. (Don't get me wrong they're rewarding in their own right, just not in the way those requesting NMs are asking for. Now if those S-Ranks all had a unique Weapon/Armor drop? They'd be XIV's HNMs already).

Originally Posted by Ludicracy

I'd go for a decent boost of exp instead of gear drops. one can only grind fates and dungeons so much before we lose our minds.

Why not both ? Some low level NMs could just drop Pink Armor/Weapons instead of wholely unique items, making them a gearing alternative for some newbies. Though, perhaps people would camp them for Company seals, so maybe make the ones from NMs untradeable to GC's.

Originally Posted by Enkidoh

After the crap that FFXI suffered from with this, I'm going to have to say a big resounding NO.

Too bad XI used forced pops and 'instances' for majority of NMs that dropped sought after gear for over half of it's life span.

Anyone who wasn't in that ls who tried to camp the NM themselves would usually be MPKd by the members of that ls,

Dat 2003 experience that hasn't been true since the extremely early days of XI.

But it's forever tainted FFXI

Clearly since that hasn't been true for an extremely long time to the point XI handles itemization better than XIV does currently lol.

Originally Posted by BlaiseArath

As someone who hunted pretty much every NM in FFXI over their years in the game... Its not nearly as bad as you make it sound.

You will learn this very quickly about this community - Most that say they played XI usually are talking about the 2003-2004/5ish era of FFXI or only played till level 10 and quit and just go off what they read on sites like Bluegartr or Zam and make everything sound far worse than it truly was. It wasn't anywhere near as bad as she made it out, the only MPK that ever happened were at Ground Kings and that was only possible in the early days since SE changed the way not only hate works, but the claiming system thus MPKing became near impossible to do in the general format.

Heck, the 1.0 system was done using the changes they did to XI's system, which XI later did more changes as well.

Also no, Hunts aren't the same thing - When I kill Stinging Solphie, where's my dagger? When I kill Nahn where's my elegant sword that has poison addition effect on it? When I kill Naul where's my Wyvern Perch? So on and so forth.

Originally Posted by Violyre

I seem to vaguely recall this. I remember the linkshell, at least, and I seem to recall being an ass to any of my LS that joined them, generally because my LS had bragging rights over Ullikummi for awhile. XD Who were you on Midgardsormr, if you don't mind me asking? I seem to vaguely recall someone with your forum name at least. No one I talked to like ever, but still. I was Achika.

That's right, my FFXI character's name is my forum handle's name (and my FFXIV's character's first name too for that matter ). I was on Midgard from the beginning of 2005 (when I first started in FFXI) til it was merged into Quetzalcoatl in 2010, which is still my FFXI server. I do seem to remember seeing a player named Achika in FFXI too - that's a really small world!

Anyway, for those wondering I wasn't trying to have a go at the members of that ls in my previous post, as it was so long ago now it's no longer relevant. I was just trying to point out that incident on FFXI as an example of why open world NMs who drop sort after equipment is not quite the great idea everyone has made it out to be.

Originally Posted by Velhart

If the NM has any form of value rather gil is involved or not, it will be exploited, and it will create toxic behavior, even at a 5-10 minute spawn. If it doesn't have value, then it is pointless content and developers should focus on content that does.

As a countermeasure to this problem, SE did found a solution that brilliantly worked for years on FFXI, the forced-spawn NMs system :
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-gear-currency.

The best exemple is probably the whole zeni notorious monster system, genius system :
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Ze...rious_Monsters