Say NO to the New Possession (Claiming) Structure Being Developed!!!

[Cichy]

TBH we need 50 more NMs like Tanaka added, decent drops + fast respawn + something for crafters to do.
If there are open world HNMs like in XI it's just going to lead to botting.

[Dargoth_Draconia]

You have 100% reason to disagree with it, its just like everything elce yoshi is/wants to do, its all designed for low-man/never talking to anyone. The game is finally getting decent and all he wants to do is bring 0 competition to the game, how do people see a "sence of accomplishment" if you didnt compete for it in any form at all. Thats like running a race by yourself. YAY YOU WIN.

100% wrong. The new system is for alliance based content and he has said so himself. Apparently you do not know how to read or understand how the minor details of the claiming system we have received which will allow players to work together as a whole instead of always being at each others throats.

Rest assured, claim bots will still be a problem. This new system solves nothing, it just adds more problems.

Loosely translated even Reinhart himself said something along the lines of it being so and he isn't 100% sure everything was translated appropriately or have come out in they way they are supposed to mean. Very common mistake when translating Japanese to English. Claiming bots won't be needed because of the way the NMs are being handled because everyone gets a crack at them. It was always the most rare NMs or the ones that dropped rare loot that had claim bots on them while the low selling item or rare/ex gear didn't have bots around and the NMs that popped fairly quick as well. HNMs though on this game roam and spawn in wide areas making it less likely to see problems from bots.

I guess what I really should be saying is it is too late we are getting one of the two they are deciding upon whether you guys say no now or not. They took results from the poll and are decided which of the two to implement, read the translations carefully and you will see they are deciding on two systems atm. If you don't like and refuse to give it a chance just do us all a favor and quit this game now, but before you do give me your account info. I will find a use for it.

[Biggs]

MeowyWowie & Co. have all stated valid points in another thread located here...

The resounding theme of posters in that thread seems to be that a system of this nature is NOT wanted.

This post is a petition to get Square Enix's attention. Sign this petition (Or click the like button) & let your voice be heard!

Say NO to this system currently in development before it's too late!

They havent even said HOW they will do this yet and your petitioning to have it cut. What if someone jumping in on your mob could only happen if you use a call for help button like in XI? Not to mention, you would prefer the current claim system where, if you havent claimed a mob but hit it, you lose xp on it? Really? If you start the fight, and someone unwanted just walks by and kills it, it even says right here that you would still get the drop. I see no problem with letting them do what they have been doing since December, and thats improving the game. Why not be patient and see instead of jumping all over them for a paragraph response that in no way outlines how they plan to impliment what they are talking about here.

If your worried that the game will be more instanced than old school, I would relax. It states many times in this exact same interview that they plan on still having plenty of field mobs and nms for us to do what we like with. Give them time to work instead of assuming you know exactly how its going to be all gloom and doom style.

[Biggs]

You have 100% reason to disagree with it, its just like everything elce yoshi is/wants to do, its all designed for low-man/never talking to anyone. The game is finally getting decent and all he wants to do is bring 0 competition to the game, how do people see a "sence of accomplishment" if you didnt compete for it in any form at all. Thats like running a race by yourself. YAY YOU WIN.

And who exactly is it you think is responsible for finally making the game decent? The very guy you claim here is trying to ruin it? I would say if you have found the game to be getting better, why not let the man responsible for it becoming so do his job?

[Dargoth_Draconia]

And who exactly is it you think is responsible for finally making the game decent? The very guy you claim here is trying to ruin it? I would say if you have found the game to be getting better, why not let the man responsible for it becoming so do his job?

Amen Brother Ben.

[Eclipse]

Doing his job is also making the game as playable as possible. Making sure that people from all walks of life can enjoy the content they have come to love. I think as long as they continue to have balanced end game content, including: Ground Kings, Pops and Instances they will be able to accomplish that. I think many of us are concerned that everything will be instanced and some of us really appreciate the competition of World NMs.

[Cichy]

1. Game is low on players, therefore, lowman groups and such are a priority. Once those customers are taken care of they can work on large scale content for ps3 launch. I believe that's why he's messing with claiming system, I think they have problem separating claim systems like they did with regular mobs and campaign mobs in XI.
2. This sense of accomplishment can be done without excluding people.

[MeowyWowie]

Loosely translated even Reinhart himself said something along the lines of it being so and he isn't 100% sure everything was translated appropriately or have come out in they way they are supposed to mean. Very common mistake when translating Japanese to English. Claiming bots won't be needed because of the way the NMs are being handled because everyone gets a crack at them. It was always the most rare NMs or the ones that dropped rare loot that had claim bots on them while the low selling item or rare/ex gear didn't have bots around and the NMs that popped fairly quick as well. HNMs though on this game roam and spawn in wide areas making it less likely to see problems from bots.

I guess what I really should be saying is it is too late we are getting one of the two they are deciding upon whether you guys say no now or not. They took results from the poll and are decided which of the two to implement, read the translations carefully and you will see they are deciding on two systems atm. If you don't like and refuse to give it a chance just do us all a favor and quit this game now, but before you do give me your account info. I will find a use for it.

Quoted from 2nd poll results, by Yoshi-P:

Player opinions are pretty evenly split on this one, and the regional breakdowns are varied a bit as well. I'm kicking myself for not having put in a third option combining the other two: Skill and experience going to all parties, and loot going to only the first party to deal damage to an enemy.

I personally think that this mixed option (skill/experience to all involved parties, loot to only the claiming party) makes sense. Well, the official FFXIV forums will be going live shortly, and I'd very much like to open this topic up for discussion there to hear your opinions. I'll be posting, too!

With the overall results on both polls and the overall changes we've seen since them, I think it's safe to say that Yoshi and crew made up their minds beforehand. People asked for content, we got targetting fixes. We asked for AH, we got "beefed up" Market wards, etc, etc.

I'm 99.999999% that this is how they will be implementing this system. Bots are not going away any time soon, you can bet on that.

Edit: And seriously, don't give me the "if you don't like it you can quit" bullshit. It's a legitimate discussion, accept the fact that not everyone is going to agree with you. Grow the fuck up.

[Raze]

Quoted from 2nd poll results, by Yoshi-P:


With the overall results on both polls and the overall changes we've seen since them, I think it's safe to say that Yoshi and crew made up their minds beforehand. People asked for content, we got targetting fixes. We asked for AH, we got "beefed up" Market wards, etc, etc.

I'm 99.999999% that this is how they will be implementing this system. Bots are not going away any time soon, you can bet on that.

Edit: And seriously, don't give me the "if you don't like it you can quit" bullshit. It's a legitimate discussion, accept the fact that not everyone is going to agree with you. Grow the fuck up.

What about the old gem "why should the way I play matter to you QQ"

[Synapse]

I like both instanced and Openworld evenly available to players. However i like the latter more. For me Instances are like inviting few friends over to your house and playing a game, i want open world stuff in MMORPG. I want to beat something and tell other i did it without them saying "Fraps or it didn't happen". I like how open world stuff teaches new players how do stuff by watching veteran players even if they are not in your party or Linkshell. The game is already low populated, last thing i want is making people do stuff in closed off areas and never see players outside cities.

Whats wrong with competition, i dont understand this? do people want stuff handed to them? want to have EXACT same gear as EVERYONE in town? thats what happens with 5 min respawn NMs and Raids, everyone get everything. I agree longer wait time =/= challenge, but it will make it so everyone will have the gear. if its quick repop, decrease the drop rate.

I kinda understand why people don't want the 3 hrs windows, i know cause im not in highschool anymore and dont have much time, but what makes you think HNM in FFXIV = 3 hr respawn? because FFXIV copied everything like FFXI ?(yeah right..wouldn't be in this mess if it did).

i think respawn time will be scaled just like job abillties in this game are, berserk in FFXI has 5 min recast, Ferocity in FFXIV has 1 min recast(of course duration varied but thats not the point, almost all skills have 1-3 min recast compared to FFXI's 3-20 mins and 2hrs).

Bots gonna exist in every game, people will eventually try to break the rule, but completely voiding open world stuff is idiotic(mind open world not = HNM/NM only), see item pop NMs, weather pop NM and other stuff that are not timed/windowed. one way to reduce claims by botting is to increase spawn area(like how FFXIV have it now) if someone where to use a program that can pos-hack and claim, it can be easily detected, also that "1-3 sec of immune to claim" FFXI had to help people with bad connection and prevent some bots.