Say NO to the New Possession (Claiming) Structure Being Developed!!!

[Visch]

Proof enough for me that this is in fact the system they have decided to go with. Anyone can clearly see this if they read between the lines (ie: different color name displays to reflect your reward entitlements.)

Hate to say it but, told ya so.

@ Dargoth: You are welcome to scroll back and reread the discussion you and I have had. There was at least 2 times where you admitted you were incorrect. I'm not going to quote them. Let's agree to disagree and get back on the topic. It's not doing us any good by fighting with each other.

We need to work together to get this bullcrap changed asap.

[MeowyWowie]

We need to work together to get this bullcrap changed asap.

Unfortunately I think that's highly unlikely. I half expected this change to come with 1.19, and I was correct. Unless everyone and their mother despises the new system I don't see it ever being changed.

Best we can do now is ask them to implement a toggle for All/Party claim systems. And to make sure that open world content is still designed to be plentiful and challenging.

[Visch]

Unfortunately I think that's highly unlikely. I half expected this change to come with 1.19, and I was correct. Unless everyone and their mother despises the new system I don't see it ever being changed.

Best we can do now is ask them to implement a toggle for All/Party claim systems. And to make sure that open world content is still designed to be plentiful and challenging.

I just don't understand. There is no point to a system like this except to power level people.

[MeowyWowie]

I just don't understand. There is no point to a system like this except to power level people.

I agree, even when this thread and the thread before it were started, it was likely already too late. The 1.19 patch outline confirmed that.

This change alone is a potential game breaker for me, and for quite a few others, I'm sure. Regardless, I will still give it a chance. But in my eyes, the shortcomings of this system far out-weigh the benefits, if there are any benefits to begin with.

[Dargoth_Draconia]

Either way I like the new system being implemented because it is something above and beyond what I have seen in a game yet. It is something new and refreshing to me personally, some say a similar system was in Aion but I didn't play that game. Too me it opens up a couple doors of possibility here, pure competition where instead of crap talking you can prove you are better at what you do than someone else but that is a double edged sword in the sense that it is possible to grief others unless they have some sort of countermeasure for this system and we will find out the details later. Also the other door there is common courtesy that is there supposedly with the Final Fantasy community, most people claim that this community is so much different than communities of games like WoW this is how we will find out if that is true or not. Would Diplomats be a prick and attack Perfection's claim? No, because of respect and common courtesy even though we as a whole don't care much about that other LS.

What if a LS was losing to the mob and asked for help and they already had it more than half way dead. They done the most damage and even if you help you will only get some of the loots the smaller spoils, while they who did the most work reap the most benefit. Sounds fair enough to me under the proper circumstances but as I was saying let us hear the full details and see how the system is going to work in full without drawing too much on speculation.

[Eekiki]

Would Diplomats be a prick and attack Perfection's claim? No, because of respect and common courtesy even though we as a whole don't care much about that other LS.

I will believe this when I see it, and vice versa.

Bottom line here is we don't know the full details. All we have are a translated Famitsu interview and a bullet point in a producer letter. Expressing concern over the upcoming changes is one thing. Flat out saying NO CHANGE WHARRGARBL without even knowing what the change is about is foolish. That kind of mentality is why we won't have hoverboards to ride on by 2015.

[Holland]

While there are valid concerns here, I believe few of us know what they have planned for content revolving around the claim system. I believe most of us are going from past experience from other games, and I am glad they will go through with their plans. The fact is, we do not know details on specific mechanics or have no idea how the content will work. I believe since 1.18 we know Yoshida knows what he is doing, he is able to bring challenging and fun content to the table. Please... for future cases, dont reject an idea when your basis are non official translations and there are no details what so ever on how things will work out.

They have confirmed now, with the last letter how this might work, but still, we have no details. Wait... just wait...

[Visch]

I believe since 1.18 we know Yoshida knows what he is doing, he is able to bring challenging and fun content to the table.

I'm sorry I loved everything about 1.18 but 5 minute re-enter time. Just like I love everything about 1.19 except this bullcrap.

Please... for future cases, dont reject an idea when your basis are non official translations and there are no details what so ever on how things will work out.

They have confirmed now, with the last letter how this might work, but still, we have no details. Wait... just wait...

I'm not jumping off the boat until I have to pay monthly for something I hate but SE should have learned their lesson from what happened with surplus on release. People were spreading false stuff about it before anyone even fully understood it. And even after it wasn't that bad people STILL cried for a full year almost about it!

[Dargoth_Draconia]

Alright, I am done posting here. The problem is you are going to believe what you want to believe no matter what til Yoshi-P himself comes out and explains how the system is going to work. You assume you know exactly what they mean by the lack of information we have gotten and flat out refuse the possibility of a better system whether you like it as an individual or not. Most of your are like arguing with a brick wall and no matter what anyone says you aren't going to budge until the human wrecking ball Yoshi himself does the job.

This conversation was never a debate it was always a one sided argument and I started on the wrong side. Either way this system is coming and I am going to love it, because I already enjoy the idea of the system without the details. Either way I will have fun with the game even if it doesn't quite live up to my standards, hell I am still playing it after the mistake of such an early release and the failure that followed. Anyways have fun agreeing with each other.

[Sorel]

Noaoki Yoshida plays alot of Rift. Rift has a generic claim system like most every other MMORPG. But it also has some other type of system that kicks in when a Rift event occurs.

I can't break it down technically, but every monster created from a Rift opening event is able to be attacked by anyone. When they die and drop loot, even if you helped kill the mob, you can't always pick up the loot bag. I haven't played Rift in a while so I don't remember if you still get some XP from helping make the kill or not.

Anyway, my point is that Naoki Yoshida may be taking a page from Rift with this new "no-claim" claiming system. It is a decent amount of fun, believe it or not. Bounding over a hill to see an adventurer surrounded by spiders and charging in to tackle a spider (or two if you line up the tackle real good) and help out sounds pretty adventurous if you ask me.

But time will tell. I'll get upset when this system actually starts being a pain in the ass, versus preemptively feeling the pain 1 month ahead of time.