NTO - New Tank Order ... And our manifesto.

[Zorya]

Long story short:
- had a bad dungeon run with a tank he was rude
- refused to mark any mobs for priority simply because that was not his job although people were clearly not attacking the same targets
- prioritized writing rude responses to tanking so we died a few times because of that, and so on.

I know some of you will say marking is not important anymore but when I tank and see people don't quite know what to target I at least put a [1] marker on what I want dead first. And I find it useful to teach new players what to attack first without writing everything in chat.

And as a main tank that always tries to go above and beyond for my party I felt sad.
So I present to you, New Tank Order and it's manifesto: (suggestions to add to the list or change it are welcome):

http://matjazvn.wix.com/wearetanks

There's a form on the page if you want to be listed as a supporter.

[Alistaire]

I'd love to see what the "rude responses" were responses to, when marking mobs in dungeons is so ridiculously unnecessary. I'd probably have a few rude responses of my own to someone of your attitude, really sounds like you asked/insisted, maybe even repeatedly, that they mark things.

And people not attacking the same target rarely matters at all. As a good tank I'm concerned with holding hate on all targets, and that's easy enough to do that I could really care less what you attack first, and if/when I do think it'll matter, I'll follow the DPS's lead on what they're attacking, just cause.

[Vorpal_Spork]

Healer to the rescue as usual. This macro comes in very handy as a healer, but it would also have worked great for your situation. It lets you use skills without untargeting the tank. That way everyone could have just targeted the tank and their skills would hit whatever he was targeting automatically.

/macroicon "Stone II"
/ac "Stone II" <tt>
/ac "Stone II" <t>

[Zorya]

Why jump to conclusions? And also read what I said. I don't mark everything. I mark when we have new players and as necessary. Simply putting [1] mark on something that should be killed first helps a lot when everyone is attacking it's own target.

But I get it. You're not one of us friendly and helpful tank I guess. Because as soon as it's something more than a minimum you have to do it's a chore for you and you'd rather argue than do it.
But hey, no problem. This is not to convince anyone that this is the right way, it's rather to inspire the current tanks and new ones to stay friendly and helpful. 99% of gaming communities are downright toxic. Does that mean we must be a part of it? I say no.

[DSN]

Simply putting [1] mark on something that should be killed first helps a lot when everyone is attacking it's own target.

At what point is it the players responsibility to learn how to play? As DPS you can learn which mobs need to die right away and or you could learn to use your keybinding that selects your targets target. I am not saying marking has no uses but in the case of 1 mob .... you really should learn to use the tools already given to you on top of learning the content you are running. If you see a mob that cast abilities that need to be dodged a lot while one just sits there it is usually a good idea to kill the one making your tank move around and preventing him from keeping constant activity on all the other mobs which will cause him to lose threat, while this is not always the case it is most of the time and there is common sense which should be applied.

[Ceodore]

At what point is it the players responsibility to learn how to play? As DPS you can learn which mobs need to die right away and or you could learn to use your keybinding that selects your targets target. I am not saying marking has no uses but in the case of 1 mob .... you really should learn to use the tools already given to you on top of learning the content you are running. If you see a mob that cast abilities that need to be dodged a lot while one just sits there it is usually a good idea to kill the one making your tank move around and preventing him from keeping constant activity on all the other mobs which will cause him to lose threat, while this is not always the case it is most of the time and there is common sense which should be applied.

Can I add to this by reminding people that play this game something? IF you play this game, you have an internet connection. IF you have an internet connection, you can probably access Youtube. Even PS3 and PS4 can access youtube. IF you can access youtube, you can watch a video guide. IF you come into a new dungeon and say "Lol, I'm a newb, IDK what I to do here, help me, I haven't watched a video or anything" then my first and only response is this "Help yourself before asking me for help, because I'm not putting in all the effort to teach when you haven't put in any effort to learn first."

Edit: If what I am running is an entirely new dungeon with no guides what-so-ever out there, then chances are, I don't know all the mechanics either. But in the off chance I do know them, and this is the ONLY time I will do this, I will teach them. Otherwise, take a hint...



And in the alternate case of alternate mechanics being easier than what are in videos out there, then sit down...

[Nitssh]

While I think some of these should be common ground despite your chosen class. Such as; "We will not get mad at you for screwing it up by mistake." and "We will take time to explain the fights to those who are new around here."

I'm definitely behind this though!

[Dotsusama]

that entire page can be summed up as:

#notALLtanks

[Wakajinn]

Personally marking is not necessary. I run either raids or expert DF on a Japanese server so more often than not i can barely communicate with whoever i'm tanking for, so its best for me just to hold hate on everything and if i lose something i'll pick it up.
Even for newbies (unless you doing SM Sastasha with a first timer) marking is not necessary, its a convenience and that's about the end of it. Feel free to attack what ever target you want if the tank doesn't mark them up, it usually means they're pretty confident in their own skills to keep aggro.

[PWilson]

I don't understand the purpose of this. Are you going to beat a rude tank over the head with your link? If the tank's being a jerk, why would they even click your link? Do you feel the need to commit a handle to a website in order to ensure you're not a jerk, yourself?
I really don't get it, sorry.

And marking mobs is unnecessary for the most part. At one point, I was with some players who were avid fans of tanks marking, but as a tank, I couldn't see the sense.
I do mark some mobs. The golem part in Qarn, the mages in the 'boss' battles in Tam-Tara, the morphing Priests -> Dove Aevis in Snowcloak... I think that's about it. Oh, boss takedown order in Haukke Manor normal. There might be a couple I'm missing but... that's all that really needs to be marked, just a handful of things.