Why did SE take thunder away from SMN?

[Bigcat9715]

Was it because with all 3 DoTs plus thunder fused with contagion that it was too much dps or was it because SMN needed a better aoe so they gave us blizzard 2, but if that's the case why not just give us blizzard 2 without taking anything away. It could be that its weird to contagion spark of electricity, but that's probably stretching it. Do you guys think we will get a fourth DoT and 2 new egis when the expansion comes out?

[Bishop81]

Probably too much DPS.

It's also kind of a lot of DoTs ... IMHO 3 is quite enough.

Personally I don't think the Job is well designed, it doesn't seem very "extendable" - just my opinion; I could be wrong.

No idea what SMN will get in Heavensword other than new Egis. More DoTs would be ...

Don't know what to think of the new Egis either. Got a feeling they will end up feeling more like "replacements" than "additions" since they are mutually exclusive with our current entourage.

We just have to see what next expansion brings I suppose.

[Bigcat9715]

-snip-.

Yea, I think they should rework ACN maybe make it more buff/debuff having to put bravery on the melee dps or faith on magic users while debuffing the enemy. Maybe make the damage output for ACN based on the buff you give to your party, the debuff on the enemy, and your pet.

[Bishop81]

...

If we are talking hypotheticals, I would like to see something like,

Sapphire Carbuncle - has no auto-attack, cannot be target or damaged and has only one ability,

• Coalesce

  Generate a 5 yard Aetherfield around the target and drawing all enemies within 8 yards into the Aetherfield. 15 sec CD. Aetherfield lasts for 20 secs.

  • Aetherfield

    All targets in the Aetherfield have their movement speed by reduced.

ACN abilities,

• Ruin - does 1.5x damage to targets affected by Aetherfield.
• Bio/Bio II/Miasma - will now spread to all targets in the Aetherfield if one target within is afflicted.
• Gravity - collapse the Aetherfield (i.e. dispelling it) slowing all targets within by 100% where they gradually return to normal speed over 5 secs.
• ... etc.

As for what to do with Fester and Bane ... I don't know. ヽ（。▽°）ﾉ

[SenBosa]

Personally I don't think the Job is well designed, it doesn't seem very "extendable" - just my opinion; I could be wrong.

No idea what SMN will get in Heavensword other than new Egis. More DoTs would be ...

Don't know what to think of the new Egis either. Got a feeling they will end up feeling more like "replacements" than "additions" since they are mutually exclusive with our current entourage.

We just have to see what next expansion brings I suppose.

IIRC, they are planning to do a complete overhaul of the egis so that every single pet can be viable (since right now everyone's go to choice is Garuda for Trials and Coil). Leviathan and Ramuh Egi's have been confirmed, no word about Shiva or Odin Egi's though. Personally I want to see Leviathan Egi have his main spamming skill be really weak but be aoe, so that he'd be the go to choice of egi for dungeon runs. It'd be cool if one of the Egi's also had a DoT. As for new skills for SMN, I'd like to see another use for an aetherflow stack, like letting them use contagion instead of Garuda, or having a skill similar to fester except much stronger and it will remove the DoT's from the enemy (it would be a nice finisher for adds since at the end of an add's death you either are dealing really low dps from spamming ruin and having no DoT's up or re-applying your DoT's on a target that only has 5-6 seconds left to live).

[ManaKing]

Thunder was delightfully broken on SMN

[RyuDragnier]

Thunder was delightfully broken on SMN

As it was on WHM and SCH as well. That damage while in Cleric Stance was amazing~ <3

[Ephier]

Way too much damage.

[Judge_Xero]

30 Potency + 18s @ 35 Potency + 15s Extension from Contagion

An extra 415 Potency attack for single target (240 Potency without Contagion) - Yep OP

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SMN will probably go into applying further buffs on your DOTs and then refreshing the timers on them to maintain that buffed damage for as long as possible.

[Houston009]

Every new job/class introduced in any MMO are usually slightly OP/underwhelming, NIN and SMN(slightly op) are prime examples.