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  1. #1
    Player
    Avatar de Taei
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    Taei Tertots
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Menuisier Lv 90

    OT accessories

    There needs to be another category for off-tanks that have split distribution of STR + VIT. Right now when doing endgame raiding, the best option for OT's are i90 melded accessories. And their only upgrade will be when i110 crafted accessories come out and then we have to meld those. So basically as OT's, we are having to spend more gil than the rest of the team if we want to be optimally geared.

    OT's are stuck in that funny category of being both tank and dps. Please consider making STR + VIT accessories.
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    Sasha Sicoe
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    Sargatanas
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    Forgeron Lv 60
    Actually right now, its better to go with a split of str and vit i130 (i120 in places if you have too)accessories. Not that its that feasable for most, its slightly less vit with more str and 2 full stats on it, the i110 will most probably be better than a mix though (unless tier iV materia limitations gets in the way).
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    Tyrnia Edil
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    Odin
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    Guerrier Lv 90
    I used to think
    I had the answers to everything,
    But now I know
    Life doesn't always go my way, yeah
    Feels like I'm caught in the middle
    That's when I realize

    I'm not a DPS,
    Not yet a tank.
    All I need is melds,
    A materia that is mine,
    While I'm in between.
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    Syanonn Rias
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    Balmung
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Take that 30 vit and put it in str.

    But seriously, if a tank wants to tank - they shouldn't have too high of an expectation in dpsing.
    and if a tank wants to dps - they shouldn't have too high expectation to be living through shit that a full vit tank can.

    Edit: and this is no different than any other class wanting more VIT to live through stuff, I've seen FCoB groups with i90 accessories with VIT melds.
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    Dernière modification de Chihaya, 06/12/2014 à 06h44

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    Doctor Pepper
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    Cactuar
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    Samurai Lv 70
    Personally don't see why you need this, there are tanks using full ruby accessories in FCOB who do just fine. Also, if they add non-meldable split attribute accessories they would have to have a weaker split otherwise no tank would ever use the full vit accessories. Any good tank who has the gil to spend already uses these in place of i110 for most content and don't generally replace them unless they get an ironworks accessory.

    Right now the fully melded i90 accessories give 13 str and 15 vit while the non-meldable i110 accessories (20 ilvls higher) only have 18 str or 21 vit alone so an i110 option that gives ilvl appropriate stat splits would be OP in comparison to current i110 (and probably i120/130) accessories and in my opinion you should have to pay a bit of extra money for that boost when it does come.

    It's fairly certain that i110 crafted accessories with an OP stat split are coming, I'd rather they don't overshadow the brand new ironworks gear for a while yet but that's just my opinion. We've only had the new stuff for little over a month.
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    Hazel Mimelia
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    Gilgamesh
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    Archer Lv 70
    There was a war we picked up for T11 because our statics war couldn't make it. This dude barely had 9000 Hp in defiance. We ask him asked him to go mostly VIT so he can at least be over 9500 and close to 10000, but he ignore us. I usually dps a little bit between hits pushing the most 110 dps for 1st phase of the fight as a Scholar . The entire time we pulled I averaged about 30 dps because I had to babysit the war. I know im not a bad healer but that War pushed it. Meet the Hp threshold first and than stack strength accessories. Our statics war has 11k. I think that's too much I said 10.2 to 10.5 should be.enough.
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    Dernière modification de melflomil, 06/12/2014 à 07h37

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    Zumi Kasumi
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    Sargatanas
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    Paladin Lv 100
    The thing is all content in the game is beatable with both tanks using vit accessories so in the end it doesn't really matter just effects kill speed slightly by a few seconds.
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    A'lyhhia Tahz
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    Lamia
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    Paladin Lv 80
    So, you wanna use STR as the Off Tank. If you:

    Are progressing and especially if you haven't cleared the fight yet: Full VIT. You're the one who will take the boss if the MT dies. If you have significantly less health than the MT, you've turned a possible recovery into certain death.

    Haven't won the fight yet, but you know what you're doing and the MT isn't really dying anymore: Replace your bonus stats. That should suffice and keep you from killing the group on the rarer MT death.

    You've won at least once: Keeping those bonus stats, replace an accessory. Two if you're feeling daring.

    The fight is on farm: All STR accessories if you're feeling extra confident. i90 accessories if you want the balance.

    ALWAYS NOTE: Listen to your healers. If they're uncomfortable with the idea of you speccing too far into strength, listen to them!. They're the ones who are directly responsible for most of the effort required to make sure you don't die. Replacing VIT doesn't challenge just your limits; it challenges theirs too. Respect that.

    Special Cases

    The fight has regular tank swaps: Whatever the healers are comfortable with the MT doing, you should match it.

    You take more damage than the MT while doing your job normally(for example, the adds hit harder than the boss itself): Be more careful about what VIT you replace.

    You think that more Tank damage will clear the basic DPS check necessary to clear the fight: Stop right there and find out who among your DPS is underperforming. If the party has to rely on Tanks speccing out of VIT to deal enough damage to kill the boss, someone is being carried. In the words of Xenosys Vex, alternate configurations of both character and party should be something you do to exceed limits, not meet them.
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    Dernière modification de Donjo, 06/12/2014 à 08h33

  9. #9
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    Taei Tertots
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    Balmung
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    Menuisier Lv 90
    Xenosys uses i90 crafted accessories:

    http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/5331858/

    Also, if you look at all of the WAR that have cleared FCOB early, they are all using i90 pentamelds.
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    Sylvie Nevana
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    Adamantoise
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    Arcaniste Lv 100
    Citation Envoyé par Taei Voir le message
    Xenosys uses i90 crafted accessories:

    http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/5331858/

    Also, if you look at all of the WAR that have cleared FCOB early, they are all using i90 pentamelds.
    If you're going by world first progression logic, then warriors weren't the only people that needed crafted gear to get through coil early. Many of the dps and healers needed crafted armor pieces to meet the dps/heal checks to complete fcob. Also some of the classes that had typically lower hp had to use accessories as well to meet hp checks.
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