Is it too late or is the damage done

[Hyrist]

The Dragoon Stigma preexisted this game, in fact. It is one that's perpetrated from FFXI days and regardless of how powerful Dragoons become, there will always be people who mistreat the class, from outside or within.

Just remember that while Kain is our Idol, Vlad is our secret Hero and all naysayers can get impaled.

or you can kill a Snurbble in their place. Their population has grown unchecked since the Calamity.

[Almalexia]

The Dragoon Stigma preexisted this game, in fact. It is one that's perpetrated from FFXI days

It's true, OP. You're looking at a decade old prejudice that won't be washed away by a patch or two. FFXI had numerous changes to DRG in particular and two-handers in general, but this only makes the good DRGs better while the bad DRGs stay bad.

And there sure are a lot of bad DRGs.

[CUTS3R]

or you can kill a Snurbble in their place. Their population has grown unchecked since the Calamity.

Don't worry the army of spiritbinding bots is working on it 24/7.

[RiverTams]

I actually love DRG, the problem is it attracts a lot of derp players. But when you see a good one, you will never turn down DRG.

[jomoru]

I actually love DRG, the problem is it attracts a lot of derp players. But when you see a good one, you will never turn down DRG.

the problem is its not like one can tell who's derp and who's not except by already knowing them.


I've started to see plenty of "Lolnin" so is that hope for you?

[RiverTams]

the problem is its not like one can tell who's derp and who's not except by already knowing them.


I've started to see plenty of "Lolnin" so is that hope for you?

It's not that hard to tell whos derp or not after a few pulls into the dungeon/raid :P

[Doki]

If you think drg hate is bad in this... in early FFXI is was the worst.

[Ramath]

The truth is that many players need "lolSomething" to laugh at to make themselves feel better. It's a comfort to them to know someone else is being made fun of, and not them. "At least it's not me."

Second, most of those same players are simply blindly repeating what they hear on teh internetz without actually looking into what they are repeating for themselves. So, most of them don't really know why they are saying "lolDRG" other than because it's what everyone else is doing.

Third, DRG is one of the more complicated jobs to master (having played most of them myself), but at the same time, very easy to be "passable." This means that you will have a much higher ratio of players who hit the "decent" mark, and very few who hit the "amazing" mark. Take BLM, for example: They can hit the top of their performance very easily. Someone would have to be completely stupid not to get the most out of their potential. So, the FFXIV world at large is typically only going to see the DRG players who are doing just the bare minimum to get by. These same players are usually those who don't avoid AoEs, get locked in Jump at the wrong time, all while using Blood for Blood.

Fourth, it is almost always easier to pin-point the bad players from the amazing ones. No one see's a good DPS when they are doing their job. The group is making their dps checks, the tank isn't fighting against poorly managed front-loading hate, the healers aren't watching the dps who can't avoid AoE's, etc. No one is watching other people close enough to know that you are doing your rotation correctly. They just see when you make a mistake and wipe the party.

Finally, I have personally cleared t1-t9 as a DRG, each time before the Echos came into play. I can tell you that DRG does just fine. In fact, the few times I have missed a raid night, my team has told me that they never realized just how much of the DPS I was adding until I wasn't there anymore. Played correctly, it takes a seriously good player to out-perform a well-played DRG.

Unfortunately, however, this means any failure to perform is on you, not the class.

[NorthernLadMSP]

I will admit it. I am one of those people that normally cannot stand dragoons. I'm not saying all of them, everywhere. I just honestly have never met a great one.

In addition, my main is healer, and it gets really old always having to raise them constantly. Plus, Frontlines made me hate them even more.

[Ramath]

I will admit it. I am one of those people that normally cannot stand dragoons. I'm not saying all of them, everywhere. I just honestly have never met a great one.

In addition, my main is healer, and it gets really old always having to raise them constantly. Plus, Frontlines made me hate them even more.

I can see that. As I said in my post, there are depressingly few good DRG's in this game.

I hate BRD's with an absolute passion. I would cheer for days if that worthless waste of space was deleted from the game.