Quote Originally Posted by Haji View Post
That's an explanation why ones enjoy it (when one wins at least), not why this is an achivment. Personally I'd prefer challanges when I can use my skill rather than time and luck. For example, in the case of instanced bosses there is always a way to show off "hey, look, I'm great, I beat the boss first, barely week after it come out" without denying others the chance to enjoy content as well.

I guess my main problem is that sitting 3 hours doing nothing is not my idea of cooperation. And with a NM that only one person (grouo) can claim, I would be effectively denied part of the game's content (game I paid for and, once it's p2p, would pay monthly) becouse I would never have patiance for something like that.
winning over someone else no matter how mundane the task will feel like an achievement and be considered by others to be an achievement IN GENERAL. In general means it applies to the average population and not every individual. however, its likely if you actually claimed leaping lizzy or valk emperor in ffxi you would have felt like it was an achievement.