Will you quit if this game becomes raid-centric?

[Xatsh]

Yeah I totally enjoyed sitting in Dragon's Aery for three hours browsing the internet until some bot claimed Fafnir so I could go AFK in Behemoth's Dominion for three hours then log off.

Kings where when I did all my homework back in college. Sure they are a pure hell if you actully just stared at your screen blankly for 30mins at a time... why most people did things between windows. Like 90%+ of the Aery was afk all but 30secs every 30mins until it poped.

Go to faf
-No pop window 1
-Read 10 pages
-No pop window 2
-Read 10 more pages
-No pop window 3
-Do the written homework
-pop window 4 kill it

Then go to KB
-no pop window 1
-start next assignment.

World NMS is XI where the best thing ever for college student and high school students alike... gave you time to get all your stuff done. If they where not there I probably would of failed all my classes >.>

[Zacko]

World NMS is XI where the best thing ever for college student and high school students alike... gave you time to get all your stuff done. If they where not there I probably would of failed all my classes >.>

I agree, I got a lot of work done between windows lol

[Xenor]

Kings where when I did all my homework back in college. Sure they are a pure hell if you actully just stared at your screen blankly for 30mins at a time... why most people did things between windows. Like 90%+ of the Aery was afk all but 30secs every 30mins until it poped.

Go to faf
-No pop window 1
-Read 10 pages
-No pop window 2
-Read 10 more pages
-No pop window 3
-Do the written homework
-pop window 4 kill it

Then go to KB
-no pop window 1
-start next assignment.

World NMS is XI where the best thing ever for college student and high school students alike... gave you time to get all your stuff done. If they where not there I probably would of failed all my classes >.>

But surely spending (in worst case scenario) 3 minutes total playing the game out of 3 hours is awful game design. Times have moved on from that. I did kings because that and Sky was all the game had in the Zilart days, not because I enjoyed it. The fights were great if you managed to get a claim but it was bad implementation.

There's ways to implement items such as Ridills and have them just as rare without the game being a pain in the ass or spend 2 hours 57 minutes of every 3 hours doing anything but playing. The dungeon speed run in XIV right now is a good example of how to make items rare. No one on my server has a sword or bow. Implement something hard like that with further criteria for your Ridill and they become even rarer. For example, require a drop from three different dungeon's speed runs to be exchanged for an item. You then need skill in multiple scenarios to get your rare item.

[TirionCrey]

Everybody who wants to waste 3h of time for fighting a Mob for 5min needs to be shot and buried.

Those times are over.

If I want to do endgame I WANT TO decide when that's gonna be, not when the game tells me it's ok now.

Not to mention I'd rather have instanced raids with actual skill being required to get it cleared, instead of just winning a claim on a mob that is faceroll after claiming it...

The biggest difficulty in XI never was beating something, it was claiming it...and that's stupid and only favours hardcore people in a bad way. I'm "hardcore" myself, but I'd rather be tested on my skill, than the amount of time I can play in one sitting...

[Cichy]

But surely spending (in worst case scenario) 3 minutes total playing the game out of 3 hours is awful game design. Times have moved on from that. I did kings because that and Sky was all the game had in the Zilart days, not because I enjoyed it. The fights were great if you managed to get a claim but it was bad implementation.

There's ways to implement items such as Ridills and have them just as rare without the game being a pain in the ass or spend 2 hours 57 minutes of every 3 hours doing anything but playing. The dungeon speed run in XIV right now is a good example of how to make items rare. No one on my server has a sword or bow. Implement something hard like that with further criteria for your Ridill and they become even rarer. For example, require a drop from three different dungeon's speed runs to be exchanged for an item. You then need skill in multiple scenarios to get your rare item.

Completely agree with you. Not only kings but money item HNMs like Simurgh, etc, were the most awful design ever.
I camped HNMs for years and we did claim them often but it was just going through the motions after couple of months.
The only excitement there was if someone spike flailed Nidhogg.
The entire design just created a cesspool of bickering, cheating, and player griefing. I cant honestly come up with one thing to defend it.
All my HNM linkshells botted the crap out of those NMs and that's why we got claims, it involved 0 skill.
When a system excludes 90% of the population from the actual content it's a pretty freaking bad design.

[Dragonheart]

Everybody who wants to waste 3h of time for fighting a Mob for 5min needs to be shot and buried.

Those times are over.

If I want to do endgame I WANT TO decide when that's gonna be, not when the game tells me it's ok now.

Not to mention I'd rather have instanced raids with actual skill being required to get it cleared, instead of just winning a claim on a mob that is faceroll after claiming it...

The biggest difficulty in XI never was beating something, it was claiming it...and that's stupid and only favours hardcore people in a bad way. I'm "hardcore" myself, but I'd rather be tested on my skill, than the amount of time I can play in one sitting...

This. I never did a thing harder than beating for example Arthas, Yog Saronn in 25 man hard mode. Maybe only pulling a Niddhog or a KB was harder lol.. But just pulling, not beating them

[Visch]

You'd have to prove to me that numbers wise there is are enough players who want this to dedicate development time to content that what I am feeeling a majority of the players would not use.

The "majority" of players? You mean the level 29 people who don't play the game and have 2000 posts? Or the dunesfolk for dinner people who think they're good because they have every job leveled and don't know how to play them?

The game NEEDS rare items from HNMs or not, it doesn't matter. If not everyone will come for a patch, then quit.

No, I don't care if someone else has better items than me. I just don't want the core of endgame content to revolve around an activity I hate like it did in FFXI.

No one said everything has to be HNMs...? It didn't revolve around it in XI either.

Look at Einherjar. It is the perfect model.

Naturally people who can commit more time are always going to have better items, but that doesn't mean the method of getting items should be something that frustrates most of the people who participate in it.

No...? Everyone has everything from the dungeons because all you have to do is walk in and because people babystepped baddies thru with youtube videos on orge and batraal. It's not natural in this game apparently.

Everybody who wants to waste 3h of time for fighting a Mob for 5min needs to be shot and buried.

Sounds like someone's mad they didn't get ridill.

Those times are over.

You wish. Maybe if you moved to China.

If I want to do endgame I WANT TO decide when that's gonna be, not when the game tells me it's ok now.

And when is that? The patch every six months that EVERYONE WHO IS GOOD BEATS AND GETS ALL THE ITEMS IN LESS THAN A WEEK?

Not to mention I'd rather have instanced raids with actual skill being required to get it cleared, instead of just winning a claim on a mob that is faceroll after claiming it...

Why can't something not in an instance take skill to kill? Because you don't want to compete with people because you might cry someone beat you?

The biggest difficulty in XI never was beating something, it was claiming it...and that's stupid and only favours hardcore people in a bad way.

What was XI to you? Camping Fafnir and behemoth? Not everything came from HNMs.

I'm "hardcore" myself, but I'd rather be tested on my skill, than the amount of time I can play in one sitting...

Go "test your skills" in WoW if you want to be able to bang your head on the keyboard and get items like Darkhold.

[Jynx]

Well I'm sorry if I have higher standards for "fun" than you do.

Way to be a total douche about it. I'm glad I have a higher standard for "Intelligence" than you do.

[Tsukino]

You'd have to prove to me that numbers wise there is are enough players who want this to dedicate development time to content that what I am feeeling a majority of the players would not use.

You know that instanced dungeons take magnitudes more time to develop than open world NMs right?

For a dungeon they have to design the area, place encounters in it that flow well, balance it all for the size group they intend over the time limit they're looking for, and add all kinds of finishing touches. And then players spam it and get all the stuff they want in a few weeks. For open world bosses you just throw on some super high stats, a long repop timer, and some good gear. People will camp it for years. Unique models for bosses and equipment are of course a separate concern, and common to both events.

The majority of players probably prefers instances, you're right, but it takes very little work on the part of the developers to placate those who want to camp rare pops for rare drops.

[Corrderio]

But then the issue would be having to deal with bots in open world events, which have ot be a huge headache for any development team.