Will you quit if this game becomes raid-centric?

[Visch]

You'd have to prove to me that numbers wise there is are enough players who want this to dedicate development time to content that what I am feeeling a majority of the players would not use.

The "majority" of players? You mean the level 29 people who don't play the game and have 2000 posts? Or the dunesfolk for dinner people who think they're good because they have every job leveled and don't know how to play them?

The game NEEDS rare items from HNMs or not, it doesn't matter. If not everyone will come for a patch, then quit.

No, I don't care if someone else has better items than me. I just don't want the core of endgame content to revolve around an activity I hate like it did in FFXI.

No one said everything has to be HNMs...? It didn't revolve around it in XI either.

Look at Einherjar. It is the perfect model.

Naturally people who can commit more time are always going to have better items, but that doesn't mean the method of getting items should be something that frustrates most of the people who participate in it.

No...? Everyone has everything from the dungeons because all you have to do is walk in and because people babystepped baddies thru with youtube videos on orge and batraal. It's not natural in this game apparently.

Everybody who wants to waste 3h of time for fighting a Mob for 5min needs to be shot and buried.

Sounds like someone's mad they didn't get ridill.

Those times are over.

You wish. Maybe if you moved to China.

If I want to do endgame I WANT TO decide when that's gonna be, not when the game tells me it's ok now.

And when is that? The patch every six months that EVERYONE WHO IS GOOD BEATS AND GETS ALL THE ITEMS IN LESS THAN A WEEK?

Not to mention I'd rather have instanced raids with actual skill being required to get it cleared, instead of just winning a claim on a mob that is faceroll after claiming it...

Why can't something not in an instance take skill to kill? Because you don't want to compete with people because you might cry someone beat you?

The biggest difficulty in XI never was beating something, it was claiming it...and that's stupid and only favours hardcore people in a bad way.

What was XI to you? Camping Fafnir and behemoth? Not everything came from HNMs.

I'm "hardcore" myself, but I'd rather be tested on my skill, than the amount of time I can play in one sitting...

Go "test your skills" in WoW if you want to be able to bang your head on the keyboard and get items like Darkhold.

[TirionCrey]

The "majority" of players? You mean the level 29 people who don't play the game and have 2000 posts? Or the dunesfolk for dinner people who think they're good because they have every job leveled and don't know how to play them?

The game NEEDS rare items from HNMs or not, it doesn't matter. If not everyone will come for a patch, then quit.



No one said everything has to be HNMs...? It didn't revolve around it in XI either.

Look at Einherjar. It is the perfect model.



No...? Everyone has everything from the dungeons because all you have to do is walk in and because people babystepped baddies thru with youtube videos on orge and batraal. It's not natural in this game apparently.



Sounds like someone's mad they didn't get ridill.



You wish. Maybe if you moved to China.




And when is that? The patch every six months that EVERYONE WHO IS GOOD BEATS AND GETS ALL THE ITEMS IN LESS THAN A WEEK?



Why can't something not in an instance take skill to kill? Because you don't want to compete with people because you might cry someone beat you?



What was XI to you? Camping Fafnir and behemoth? Not everything came from HNMs.



Go "test your skills" in WoW if you want to be able to bang your head on the keyboard and get items like Darkhold.

I won't even go into detail here...

My time is precious, especially since im not unemployed and can play 10h+ a day anymore like back in the days of XI. Wasting 3h on one HNM, not considering possible 9h for all 3 Kings is just not possible anymore and if you think thats a system that should still be in there, you clearly count as the unemployed 10h+ a day audience.

I played XI hardcore for 5 years, I had my jobs all decked out with the best gear that was available back in 2007, I played WoW 2 years, killed Kil'Jaeden, Lich King Heroic, all before nerfs...I know I got the skill to get shit done, I rather not waste hours of my time for a "possible" try to test my skills. I rather waste hours wiping/killing stuff instead.

And you obviously didn't play XI back in those days...cause no matter how much content there was, in 2007 the 3 Kings were still the most sought after HNMs...so go figure.

I'm all for implementing hardcore shit, that takes weeks/months/years to finish, I'd love Relic Weapons in XIV...but don't give me that stupid 24h, 72h or even more respawns on mobs I have to fight over against other people, it's dumb and the only people actually asking for this type of open world content needs to get their RL sorted, cause you obviously suck in RL and need compensation for that In Game by showing off crappy worthless pixels.

I never cared about gear, I cared about killing shit that most didn't kill, that's the achievement I look for...not standing around for 3h+ each day to see a mob spawn that dies 5min later cause he's faceroll.