Will you quit if this game becomes raid-centric?

[weeble]

Depends. Do I have to keep playing the White mage in raids after patch 1.19 and 1.20? If I do, then I am kicking the exit door open. Not only that, but walking into the street and throwing my face into traffic, calling it a night.

lmao yeah, this is another thing that might get me to quit, not right away but without a doubt. if i can't play all my classes with ease, without being gimped, i'ma be inching closer and closer to the exit door. i'm having such problems right now in game cause of stats, grandted they fixing it but how i dunno. i don't want to be a blm for life in raids, or archer for that matter in ffxiv lol, i can't do dol if i know i gonna do dungeons soon for stats points, is all just really anoying.

also i didn't play abysea, thank god cause i would of went rage if i was still playing i quit bout time i beat the last mini expansion. this game is defenetly starting off on easy mode and i can only asume it will keep getting harder, but if not it's gonna suck. like said aboves, i don't want hnm threw claiming really but everything else ffxi had hell yes, not same, but same structures and things, sure. i liked it, lots of people liked it, /cheer for the future of this game. someone click us forward a year to see if we waisted our time lol.

[Syon]

ah btw nvr, u're totally right...and that makes ffxi easy-mode, if u want xiv like that pls...go play ffvii or some random single player stuff

[Nvr]

ah btw nvr, u're totally right...and that makes ffxi easy-mode, if u want xiv like that pls...go play ffvii or some random single player stuff

Challenge from a game should come from gameplay, not from overpopulation and wait times.

[Tigercub]

*Generalized condescension*

I can honestly say I enjoyed those aspects of FFXI and all the things that came with them a lot more than I enjoy FFXI post Abyssea, and not for the reasons you mention. I wouldn't have played it for so many years if I didn't enjoy it. I don't know why several hundred thousand other players would have if they didn't, either.

Psychoanalyze/demonize me all you want. It's easy to assume everyone who doesn't share your opinion must have something wrong with them or is just being a child, but that's a huge cop out. Fact is my opinion is just different to yours. The actual reasons vary from person to person. It's a fact of life, learn to accept it instead of just being lazy and lumping everyone you disagree with into one group.

[Nvr]

People seem to easily mistake tediousness with challenging and convinience for easy.
Waiting through a 3 hour window for once per 24 hour monster is not challenging, it is tedious. Spending 3 hours killing birds for a single level is not challenng, it is tedious. Being required to get 3 other people to stand are pressure switches so you can open a chest on the other side of a door is not challenging. Like I said, a huge majority of people that complain about the new FFXI are people that spent a ton of time doing tedious things for their, now out-dates, gear, and they are just upset to see people optain better gear in a more fun and enjoyable way. You can't deny it.

Also, you are just assuming that "a lot of players" have a problem with the recent FFXI changes. Several posts from old elitist players on a message board does not make "a lot of people". You have no actual polls or numbers to back up your claim.

[Tigercub]

You can't deny it.

Watch me. This same cop out argument people keep bringing up gets my knickers in a twist. It's offensive to be dropped into the elitist category just because I don't enjoy Abyssea. How about I don't like Abyssea because, nothing else considered, I DON'T ACTUALLY LIKE ABYSSEA. It's not fun to me. How simple is that?

The whole loot thing is just nice and convenient way for you to try and discredit people who have different opinions to yours. Fact is I don't fall into that category and neither do many others. I've never been anal about items, I never even strived for good gear. I play games to enjoy them. It just so happens that I enjoy the pre-Abyssea content more because my perspective of fun gameplay is different to yours. Hard for you to accept with that narrow view, I know.

[Nvr]

Watch me. This same cop out argument people keep bringing up gets my knickers in a twist. It's offensive to be dropped into the elitist category just because I don't enjoy Abyssea. How about I don't like Abyssea because I DON'T ACTUALLY LIKE ABYSSEA. How simple is that?

The whole loot thing is just nice and convenient way for you to try and discredit people who have different opinions to yours. Fact is I don't fall into that category and neither do many others. I've never been anal about items, I never even strived for good gear. I play games to enjoy them. It just so happens that I enjoy the pre-Abyssea content more because my perspective of fun gameplay is different to yours. Hard for you to accept with that narrow view, I know.

First of all, I said a majority of players, which implies at least 2 catagories. So, in no way am I "dropping you into the elitist category just because you don't enjoy Abyssea". You don't enjoy Abyssea because you don't enjoy it, w/e. I did not say, all people who dislike abyssea are elitists and therefore Tigerclub is an elitist.

Second, I have never even commented to you personally or have even said I was referring to you in any way. The only reason I am responding to you now is because apparently you think I am talking to you personally and are offended because you missread what I post.

All you are doing is getting upset at things I never said. You should just chill.

[Tigercub]

First of all, I said a majority of players, which implies at least 2 catagories. So, in no way am I "dropping you into the elitist category just because you don't enjoy Abyssea". You don't enjoy Abyssea because you don't enjoy it, w/e. I did not say, all people who dislike abyssea are elitists and therefore Tigerclub is an elitist.

Second, I have never even commented to you personally or have even said I was referring to you in any way. The only reason I am responding to you now is because apparently you think I am talking to you personally and are offended because you missread what I post.

All you are doing is getting upset at things I never said. You should just chill.

I never thought you were attacking me directly, you were doing something worse in my eyes: making wide generalizations about people. I was using myself only as an example of why this is wrong. And yeah, I do need to chill. That one topic kind of sets me off, heard it before too many times >.>

[weeble]

People seem to easily mistake tediousness with challenging and convinience for easy.
Waiting through a 3 hour window for once per 24 hour monster is not challenging, it is tedious. Spending 3 hours killing birds for a single level is not challenng, it is tedious. Being required to get 3 other people to stand are pressure switches so you can open a chest on the other side of a door is not challenging. Like I said, a huge majority of people that complain about the new FFXI are people that spent a ton of time doing tedious things for their, now out-dates, gear, and they are just upset to see people optain better gear in a more fun and enjoyable way. You can't deny it.

Also, you are just assuming that "a lot of players" have a problem with the recent FFXI changes. Several posts from old elitist players on a message board does not make "a lot of people". You have no actual polls or numbers to back up your claim.

while i agree waiting 3hours for nm's is horrid, this game has already started implementing horrid things, i haven't even seen it yet but they got some kinda behest like thing out there to fight i think ixia? but it pops not very often and lol if wanted to really do it would have to camp it? lol ...camp...to do something uselss that gives u ...nothing. ..i don't get this implement at all outside of it being a taste of something bigger and not want to bore us already with it.

spending 3hours killing birds,or imps, or any multitude of mobs over and over is way better then things that involve just running around and staring at virtual tree's and flowers inbetwee kills, talking to npc's and waiting for people to restart leves or what ever else. while i agree not really challenging, they "Can" make it more challenging, while it is the same mob ...they "Could" make it diff mobs.

also yes people in ffxi spent lots of time gearing themselves, so what if u got the time u got the time, in reality what se devs were saying was that it should of took 5+ years to get something that good in game not a year or 2, or months like some. or that not everyone is supposed to have the same gears. i can deny what u'r saying, while we are all here to have fun, our ideas of fun are different, but ffxi went one route that had 100k's of players yes? it is expected that this game would of followed some form of that game.

i hear ffxi is empty now, i don't know for sure, dont' need to know for sure, i just know i'm not there and i know my old linkshells aren't still up so anyone else that is left is just holding onto a dream or they were the people who felt like they was on the sidelines an finally got a huge change for them.

mmo's are tedious, if u don't want tedious gamefly same price a month u can play a diff game every week lol, i've yet to play a mmo that isn't tedious but ffxi was very challenging on top of that, and that is where most people have the problem ...it isn't the tediousness, it was the acuall challenging parts. this game might not even have cop type missions cause years later too many people complain bout the best part of ffxi.. not only that but i bet when all is said and done no matter what your enjoyments are in mmo's, we will see that this game will just be missing something that ffxi had and that u want and miss, and if u hated ffxi lol, stop trying to change the series, i'm sure wow2 is on it's way, i hope they take all of ffxi gameplay and put it in that lol.

[Syon]

i'll quit if more darkhold "raids" come out, i simply can't enjoy running from mobs -