Nin TP Increase: Too Much?

[Leonus]

What the guy above me said is pretty much it. The tp nerfs make some points of the job moot. Called it when I read the changes on dragoon though, DRG >=MNK > NIN in hierarchy now should have just gave nins a minor damage reduction and called it a day. NIN is prob the worst off of the three melees now unfortunately.

The damage nerf to ninja was slight, people calculated a less than 2% overall damage nerf.

The tp nerf is the only "major" thing. People have also said all 3 melee are rather close in damage, with the order of Mnk > Nin > Drg still. Just the gap between nin and drg being small and while both boost the damage of someone else in the party.

[SpecialKK]

The damage nerf to ninja was slight, people calculated a less than 2% overall damage nerf.

The tp nerf is the only "major" thing. People have also said all 3 melee are rather close in damage, with the order of Mnk > Nin > Drg still. Just the gap between nin and drg being small and while both boost the damage of someone else in the party.

In fairness, a party of NIN/NIN would offer a solution to this "TP starvation". The other melee composition offers no such thing. Had NIN's TP not been brought down, then min/max parties will still take NIN/MNK over DRG. Now, they are all more on an even playing field.

[treuhavik]

People have also said all 3 melee are rather close in damage, with the order of Mnk > Nin > Drg still.

Now, they are all more on an even playing field.

^This.^ The balance is real. I picked up Diamond weapons for my MNK(i113), NIN(i114) and DRG(i111) yesterday and...damn. They're all within 5-15 DPS of one another(granted they're similarly geared). NIN - 485, MNK - 480, DRG - 465 (It's so hard to choose just one!). The TP nerf on NIN plays a large part in this, you run dry just as quickly now as a MNK or DRG so, no, it's not "too much", the game has just finally been balanced.

[DakenBrunel]

In fairness, a party of NIN/NIN would offer a solution to this "TP starvation". The other melee composition offers no such thing. Had NIN's TP not been brought down, then min/max parties will still take NIN/MNK over DRG. Now, they are all more on an even playing field.

Not really. Even playing field would be NIN/MNK, NIN/DRG, or DRG/MNK composition working. Dragon kick + traited mantra is seriously a part of the reason why people can clear content so fast.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with some classes being more TP efficient than others. I feel like some people in this game want every class to function the same way, which definitely doesn't float for me.

^This.^ The balance is real. I picked up Diamond weapons for my MNK(i113), NIN(i114) and DRG(i111) yesterday and...damn. They're all within 5-15 DPS of one another(granted they're similarly geared). NIN - 485, MNK - 480, DRG - 465 (It's so hard to choose just one!). The TP nerf on NIN plays a large part in this, you run dry just as quickly now as a MNK or DRG so, no, it's not "too much", the game has just finally been balanced.

Except its not. Have you seen a push group without a monk? Because I have not. Sure you could argue all the pushing is done now, and that the Dragoon was pre-buff, but it still doesnt change the fact that Monk is OP and everyone knows it.

Yoshi-P said it himself that Nin was supposed to be a highly rewarding job. It is true that people pushed Ninja to its limits. The damage is not the issue here. The TP nerf is the not the issue here. It's exactly like Aether said in the original post. The TP nerf was not placed correctly. The bread and butter combo for ninja shouldn't have been hit. The 123 combo should only be used after dots are applied and dancing edge or storms is up. If anything the TP hit should go to shadowfang or dancing edge.

[treuhavik]

Have you seen a push group without a monk? Because I have not. Sure you could argue all the pushing is done now, and that the Dragoon was pre-buff, but it still doesnt change the fact that Monk is OP and everyone knows it.

This is a flimsy argument. We haven't seen a 'first-group' clear without MNK because DRG was gimped and NIN didn't exist. Yeah, Dragon Kick is awesome but so is pushing the entire party's damage up, ending the encounter faster, thereby mitigating damage taken - the same reason tanks push their DPS. That's exactly what DRG and NIN do, except now DRG can actually survive an entire fight and people have NIN @ Lv50.

I'll admit, I haven't been world first for anything, I'm still on T9, but this is what I imagine happening. "Oh no! We don't have a MNK for INT down. Guess we'll have to use a smidge more MP. Bard, get that ballad rolling, your DPS can be made up by this kick-ass DRG we brought."

Also, if we don't see a 'first-group' using NIN or DRG soon, it's more likely because all these groups by now have career MNKs.

MNK is not overpowered. No one it talking about it and every time someone mentions the idea, they get laughed out of the thread. DRG and NIN have synergy with other jobs, MNK does not, therefore it needs to be self-reliant. This is why it has slightly higher damage and utilities like mantra and dragon kick effect.

[Alistaire]

What they really should've nerfed, and didn't touch at all, the most ridiculous thing NIN can do: lower fall damage while on a mount. How does this make any sense? I'm sitting there, SITTING, in my magitek, and it jumps down with its bulky feet, to the point where most characters would've been reduced to 1 HP, and what? Because of my ninja skills my magitek and myself come out basically unscathed? Preposterous!

[Pluvia]

What they really should've nerfed, and didn't touch at all, the most ridiculous thing NIN can do: lower fall damage while on a mount. How does this make any sense? I'm sitting there, SITTING, in my magitek, and it jumps down with its bulky feet, to the point where most characters would've been reduced to 1 HP, and what? Because of my ninja skills my magitek and myself come out basically unscathed? Preposterous!

Totally the most overpowered thing ever am I right.

[SpecialKK]

Totally the most overpowered thing ever am I right.

LoL if you really think about it, Dragoons should have this trait instead of NIN. I mean...our natural ability is to jump to high places and even across terrain...but we can't take it if we fall? =P

[Aiurily]

drg/drg has basically no synergy, and nin/nin doesn't offer synergy specific to the class, just raid wide dps increase (and that you probably won't have a brd, a caster, or a str buff)