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  1. #11
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    Maero's Avatar
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    I'shtola Maqa
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    Leviathan
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    Are these the only changes for certain? If so yeah not all too bad afterall, thank goodness
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  2. #12
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    Taliss's Avatar
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    Taliss Onette
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    Malboro
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    I would have to assume that fuma shuriken is still considered magic damage (unaspected though) considering its pulled from the ninjitsu list. Even if it was physical and got the potency boost from poison it wouldn't be worth using in standard rotation with lower potency and quicker return to dagger skills, it would start causing more TP problems and less damage.
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  3. #13
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    whiskeybravo's Avatar
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    Whiskey Bravo
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Taliss View Post
    I would have to assume that fuma shuriken is still considered magic damage (unaspected though) considering its pulled from the ninjitsu list. Even if it was physical and got the potency boost from poison it wouldn't be worth using in standard rotation with lower potency and quicker return to dagger skills, it would start causing more TP problems and less damage.
    I agree. It would be different if you could use it more frequently since it's only one mudra instead of 2 for Raiton, but since they are both 20 sec CDs might as well use the higher potency attack.
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  4. #14
    Player Adrian74's Avatar
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    I''''''''l I''''''''l
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    Fisher Lv 90
    In Leviathan fight, while doing a lot of nexus farm, I could use fuma shuriken in the tail that it didn't get reflected, while raiton, katon and suiton were.... Even unaspected magic like ruin II or ruin is reflected there.... Thus... fuma shuriken is not magic damage, it is ranged damage (Levi's head reflect it, but not the tail)

    Fuma shuriken is basically a double potency, almost double reach Throwing Dagger. Still Raiton has more potency, indeed, and if you're running out of TP you don't really need to be so quick on attacks.... But I doubt it, I only had TP troubles before in AoE... I guess that 10tp more per skill can easily be solved with the every-2-min invigorate.


    Now, what really worries me is....

    AoE... Unlike my dragoon and monk doing AoE with the ninja is annoying, it feels like your TP action is just useless and now your katon and doton will be almost the same useless... This effectively reduces our AoE power by 20% that, have to say, was already poor compared with DRG and MNK.... (They clearly did this 20% less in Ninjutsu because PvP whiners... Then just change that for PvP). You can't waste all your TP neither because it won't recover in battle later... So... Or either you go two NIN for goad themselves or go always with a BLM for compensating your absolute lack of AoE?.... So let's see... MNK is the top 1 in one target and doubles you in AoE.... And DRG will be only slight inferior than NIN in one target but also doubling or even a little more in AoE.... Uhm...That silence + stun must be really awardly I guess.... (Since it is one of the poor excuses used for say they are overpowered)

    Don't misunderstand me! I thought the nerf would be quite worse.... But....Damn, if AoE was already pathetic... I guess I'll just go to kill targets one in one even if the tank decides to do a big pull.
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    Last edited by Adrian74; 12-05-2014 at 02:58 AM.

  5. #15
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    Taliss's Avatar
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    Interesting, I always just attacked the head in levi on ninja.. no problems with physical damage in melee and spell damage period. Its still not worth using a lower potency attack when it eats the CD of a nerfed but still higher potency raiton (unless of course you are getting around a magic reflect).
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  6. #16
    Player
    Maero's Avatar
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    Nin aoe is still better then Monk aoe however, so not sure were it can be said Monk has better, or is it in regards to this nerf? Sorry if i misread what was said.
    Dragoon has a edge over Nin and monk for aoe. I tend to only aoe every few turns to conserve tp anyhow but dot multiple enemies.
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  7. #17
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    Calypso Celeste
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    Lamia
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    Archer Lv 60
    I can totally live with these changes
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  8. #18
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    Sapphic Meow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keisatsu View Post
    Now all the doom and gloom people can stop, those changes aren't so bad at all!
    They never will! They will just find soemthing else to doom n gloom about XD Or totally ignore OP and continue the same XD
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  9. #19
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    Chen Kotomi
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    Huh, pretty much exactly what I expected. Except i though it'd be Dancing Edge instead of Aeolian Edge, but it has the same overall effect if you're maintaining both.
    I didn't even KNOW about the poisons affecting damage, and it's a change that also makes perfect sense as well as calling a bit of attention to Fuma Shuriken since it's buffed by the poisons.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphic View Post
    They never will! They will just find soemthing else to doom n gloom about XD Or totally ignore OP and continue the same XD
    Yeah now they can move on to saying:
    NIN is still OP despite the nerf
    DRG is now OP because of the buff
    the cash shop is the harbinger of ultimate destruction
    Boob windows will spell the end of society
    Lack of boob windows will spell the end of society.
    Tanks in speedos are the worst thing to ever grace this planet.
    The developers want to personally come to your house and shoot your dog.
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    Last edited by kyuven; 12-05-2014 at 03:50 AM.

  10. #20
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    Eldarion Telcontar
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    Leviathan
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian74 View Post
    Hm.... Fuma Shuriken, I summon you! Now you have a place back in my skills! 240 + 48 = 288 against 320? Uhm....Not baddish at all, counting I like the fact fuma shuriken doesn't stop so much my hitting rhythm as raiton does... Seem it wasn't all over for my ninja, yay!
    Well not quite, but now when my Raiton lags and uses Fuma shuriken instead of cursing Yoshi, his mother, his grandma and all his cousins , I shall curse Yoshi only
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