Isn`t just vanity. Is 2 diferent experiences and thats why is bad.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

The fact that people are trying to skew what winning means makes it silly. You don't "win" from collecting things. You don't "win" from getting a class to level 50. You can consider those goals achievements since you achieved a goal, but it ain't winning by a long shot. You want to win at something? You have to beat something, whether in a contest or in a fight. There has to be a conflict. No conflict? Then there's no win condition. That's straight out of the dictionary, not Jimmy's personal book of what things mean to him because of reasons. I'm sure I would get very far calling people a bunch of racial slurs and tell them that they can't get mad cause I'm using the word in a way that is not offensive in "my terms".

I'd be less condescending if people just straight out admit that they don't want to buy something at the shop because it's not worth the money instead of making convoluted excuses. Things are expensive in life. We all don't want to buy everything under the sun but making up excuses to justify why something is bad in your eyes makes you dishonest.

[Riepah]

You don't "win" from getting a class to level 50.

You want to win at something? You have to beat something, whether in a contest or in a fight. There has to be a conflict.

Don't know about you, but I beat a lot of monsters in a fight while leveling to 50. So if being able to beat some monsters without paying real cash means it's not pay to win, you just enabled SE to sell us ilvl 9000 items, because we can still "win" without them.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Care to explain that? Because I fail to see how beating monsters without using real money equates to Square selling power. Get to the point, please. Thanks!

[Erudain]

Oh man I bet companies love you, which company woudnt want a customer who can be skewed out of every nickel they have.

Also Gold Saucer incoming, it's pretty naive to think it wont have something affected by the cash shop.
Players with gamblers addiction + cash shop?.....yeah right I woudn't want to miss that chance either if I were SE.

I recommend everyone goes and watches South Park episode "Freemium isn't free".....or in this case P2P...does the term pay-to-plemiun exist?

[craig_meredith2003]

No one will ever "win" this discussion.

[Rasylia]

How about we call it "Pay to reach your goal" ?

In a F2p Fps you pay for better weapons and shit to reach your goal - winning.
Here you need to pay to get pets and mounts - and reach your goal: collecting them.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

That sounds better actually.

[craig_meredith2003]

How about we call it "Pay to reach your goal" ?

In a F2p Fps you pay for better weapons and shit to reach your goal - winning.
Here you need to pay to get pets and mounts - and reach your goal: collecting them.

+1 good point.

[yexie]

Alright here is my impression of what is different between the free version and the payed version:
Free Version

• The ceremony
• The venue
• A dress for the bride
• outfit for the groom
• rings
• scheduling of event
• pick an npc to officiate

Payed version

• All the stuff in free version
• An additional selection of dresses for the bride
• a minion
• a mount

So you still get everything just minus an additional selection of a wedding dress, no minion and no mount. So the OP's picture examples is wrong. And I honestly see no problems with charging a little something for extra optional fluff.

Well I know A LOT of people who've been wanting to marry mainly for the mount, which was the FIRST thing that was promoted when the whole wedding thing started to be talked about... before there was a cash shop. So I'm sure (me included) people expected to get this when they get married plain and simple, no matter HOW they get married.
I don't so much have a personal problem with paying "a little something" for it, unless it's a very unreasonable amount I'll gladly pay and support the game... BUT I know people that simply can't even though they would if they could...

[craig_meredith2003]

Again I'm betting one version will be cash shop and the other will be gil /jmho.