XIV: P2P or F2P? XI never has Cash Shop, why XIV has?

[Tupsi]

I'm sure this has been said a million times, but hell, i'll be 1,000,001. You should just go back to FFXI

People should go back to WoW, or GW2..you know where majority of Yoshida's design "Inspiration" came from?

Then again, FFXI -now- FFXIV players on these forums won't rest till the game is revamped and renamed to FFXI-2.

What people like you seem to forget a game has to take place in the same world for it to be a sequel, or even in a world related to the same one as the previous game. Did you know? XIV barely has anything original in it and most of it is fanservice or a spin on WoW's designs? If anything, ARR is just Final Fantasy + WoW-2 atm. Most enemies came from either XI, XII or XIII and some of the entire concepts came from other FF games. Also the only ones hurt are the ones who consistently tell people to leave. That's being bitter.

[BobbinT]

@BobbinT

you need to consider than nowadays more and more people are totally fine buying fully virtual goods that they'll never ever hold "for real"

Good or bad, it's an evolution which already occured and which we have to deal with.


For 1.0, you need to consider that the whole 1.0 FF14 has been abandonned. ARR was a new start ans everything begun anew, except if you actually said that you wanted to keep your characters data (that was the point of the legacy campaign)
All of 1.0 is gone. However, this won't happen with 3.0 and onwards as they will be regular extensions and not resets. Unless the games fails again or shuts down for good, your datas will be here and you'll be free to stay in 2.0 forever if you choose so.

I guess this is the current state of sad truth for now. Giving you my likes.

Still... the principal of P2P began to waver from my mind when I saw the future addition they're planning to add, and starting to look more closer to what F2P has.

[Kuwagami]

I guess this is the current state of sad truth for now. Giving you my likes.

Still... the principal of P2P began to waver from my mind when I saw the future addition they're planning to add, and starting to look more closer to what F2P has.

yeah, good or bad, many things are being added (not only in MMOs either) and there is only that much that we can do. Digital goods are part of this, and whether we like it or not well... it's here.

While not a fan of the concept, I am guilty of having bought a few of these on other MMOs and I'm not regretting it. They have no other value than the one I give to them, but they were worth it in my eyes in that time.

With recent evolutions in the concept, P2P and F2P can no longer be considered as drastically as before (pay for having full access vs pay to actually have options to play), and is now going to a "Pay to have regular, steady upgrades and improvements within the game for an extended period of time" vs "Be wary, the game might shut off tomorrow if no longer profitable. Help us by buying stuff here." Both will be likely to have CS (F2P relying solely on it) but P2P try to stick to cosmetic only in order to bring people to buy by themselves rather than making them to feel that they HAVE to buy to stay competitive in the game.

[Erudain]

Fluff is game content vs fluff is not game content.
Fluff in cash shop is also pay to win vs fluff is CS is not p2w.
The definition on win varies with the player vs nah winning is only clearing raids/primals/stuff

It's like listening to an atheist and a theist argue. They'll never come to terms and both will end the discussion angy....

[Velhart]

People should go back to WoW, or GW2..you know where majority of Yoshida's design "Inspiration" came from?

Why should we? We like where we are, you obviously don't.

What people like you seem to forget a game has to take place in the same world for it to be a sequel, or even in a world related to the same one as the previous game. Did you know? XIV barely has anything original in it and most of it is fanservice or a spin on WoW's designs? If anything, ARR is just Final Fantasy + WoW-2 atm. Most enemies came from either XI, XII or XIII and some of the entire concepts came from other FF games. Also the only ones hurt are the ones who consistently tell people to leave. That's being bitter.

And Final Fantasy 1 is just a spin off of Dragon Quest's design, which was a spin off of Wizardry's design. FFXI is just a spin off design of Everquest. Starting to see a trend here? Also, Final Fantasy has been reusing monsters and certain themes dating back to the first one, what is so different here? They reused mob design? Is it that much of an issue? None of us are hurt here that you are butt hurt this not being FFXI-2, its actually funny if anything that people let their imaginations run wild that SE will see this apparent "error of their ways" and revamp the game to meet the needs of the few who want FFXI-2. Don't take that as there are no good ideas from FFXI, just these forums are pretty good at requesting the bad aspects of it.

[BobbinT]

And Final Fantasy 1 is just a spin off of Dragon Quest's design, which was a spin off of Wizardry's design.

Can you back up your claim here? Square & Enix are 2 different companies way back then before they merged, like more than 2 decades before they merged.

FFXI is just a spin off design of Everquest.

Again, can you back this up? I do installed EQ out of curiosity and tried them. While I could see the concept originated from it, each of their designs are way too different.

They reused mob design? Is it that much of an issue?

Did you ever played FFXI & FFXIII? Cause if you don't, I guess you never know that some of mobs exist in ARR are downright exact copies of their XI/XIII counterparts. There are way too many mobs from XI reused that I can't list here, you really need to play XI to know that. Heck, it even makes me think that Vana'diel & Eorzea were actually exist in the same universe because of the abundance of reused mobs here.

And dreadnought in XIII? I thought it was quite original until I got the chance to play the PC version until chapter 4 (i think), which struck me dumbfounded. That DN has exact design between XIII & ARR. You can't ignore the fact that this is just way too lazy.

I've no problem with the reused concept since the first iteration, but at least each series has their artwork collection quite unique. You can even see the FF mascot (chocobo & moogle, including cait sith since FF7) evolved through each iteration. Same concept, but different designs. Heck, even FFXIV 1.0 does have unique designs too. And that's one thing I love about FF.

The problem I see with ARR now is that it seems losing it's FF identity and got merged by various stuff that's not really makes each FF series unique. Back when FF9 were made, we already been informed that it'll be combination of concept from previous FF series. However, the end result makes it unique on it's own. In a way of re-used concept/design, you should try comparing ARR with FF9 and see what makes FF9 unique and why ARR wasn't.

In the end, ARR has just become mere marketing tools. Didn't really give me special feels as with what XIV 1.0 & XI did despite the flaws.

[FateAudax]

Boils down to people expecting FFXIV to be FFXI. Well, fact is FFXIV is not FFXI. Doesn't matter if there are the exact same copies/clones of FFXI mobs or whatever. Final Fantasy series are all under Square Enix and they are free to reuse whatever model they like. However, it doesn't change the fact that FFXIV is a separate game from FFXI. Deal. With. It.

[314159265358979323846264338327]

I too used to struggle in this game. I couldn't make gil, low level open world monsters would kill me, I was constantly kicked from dungeons, etc. That is, until that fateful day when SE added Sleipnir to the Mog Station.

Now I have hundreds of millions of gil, I stomp even the strongest of mobs, and I get all of the commendations every dungeon I do! All thanks to my trusty steed Sleipnir, who gave me the advantage I needed to climb to the top

[Velhart]

Can you back up your claim here? Square & Enix are 2 different companies way back then before they merged, like more than 2 decades before they merged.

Again, can you back this up? I do installed EQ out of curiosity and tried them. While I could see the concept originated from it, each of their designs are way too different.

Common knowledge. Go take 5 minutes of reading on the internet.

Boils down to people expecting FFXIV to be FFXI. Well, fact is FFXIV is not FFXI. Doesn't matter if there are the exact same copies/clones of FFXI mobs or whatever. Final Fantasy series are all under Square Enix and they are free to reuse whatever model they like. However, it doesn't change the fact that FFXIV is a separate game from FFXI. Deal. With. It.

Need to be careful, people don't take too kindly to common sense around here.

[BobbinT]

Common knowledge. Go take 5 minutes of reading on the internet.

Sadly, you still lack enough knowledge for making that assumption. I played all FF till 12th series & DQ till 9th series. About 1.5 years in XI & installed EQ. I suggest you study well before making one. ^^;