My Eos issue..

[Suggestion]

Edited my overpost to express my final opinions on this matter. Thanks everyone

[Kyomih]

This is actually one of the worst uses of macro a SCH can perform. The most flexible thing a SCH can do is apply a heal of acceptable potency to two people at once. This is what makes their lack of AOE healing potency compared to WHM okay! This macro takes a class famous for their flexibility and greatly lessens it. Letting Eos do her own thing while you heal the Tank is often the same as letting her get the rest of the party up whenever damage hits them. Besides, she tends to focus on party members with less health unless she's the one with less health, so a healthy rest-of-party will end up getting the Tank embraced anyway.




Yep, same rules as players, but the point below helps with that I think. This problem does only affect Embrace, however. The stay command will always allow you to cancel an Embrace and then immediately use a cooldown.



I believe Eos follows the same concepts of being able to queue up a GCD skill slightly by hitting it up to a second before it's actually available to ensure it's used the millisecond it becomes so. Either way, if you really think X person should be healed with Embrace next, Eos will agree with you in most situations. She's not quite that dumb



One, every heal helps. Eos will never overheal unless some other heal hits her intended target during an Embrace cast. Two, Eos healing randoms is a saving grace more in 4 mans or double scholar action than it is in a SCH/WHM combo.

While I agree with you that it's amazing to be able to heal two targets the same time, the macro still helps. Ie. your raid just took aoe damage and one of the dps is quite low - Eos will focus her attention to him/her. In coil, where your groups most likely won't get more damage but the tank is about to get another big hit you really want here to focus on the MT as well as your own heals, too. Medica II or even Eos on her own will patch up the rest of the raid after the big hit on the tank.

I do have Macros where I do have embrace grouped up with my heals, even though I don't use them by default.
It does however leave me with more options:

Heal two targets manually (embrace macro and my normal heals)
Force here to heal the target together with me (Embrace macroed together with stay and any of my heals)
Let her heal up others and me patching up the MT (let her do her own thing and I just use my heals normally)

I find it adds a lot of additional options to have an embrace/adlo or embrace/physick macro just for certain situations. Obviously I have her on Obey at all times.

[Donjo]

While I agree with you that it's amazing to be able to heal two targets the same time, the macro still helps. Ie. your raid just took aoe damage and one of the dps is quite low - Eos will focus her attention to him/her. In coil, where your groups most likely won't get more damage but the tank is about to get another big hit you really want here to focus on the MT as well as your own heals, too. Medica II or even Eos on her own will patch up the rest of the raid after the big hit on the tank.

I do have Macros where I do have embrace grouped up with my heals, even though I don't use them by default.
It does however leave me with more options:

Heal two targets manually (embrace macro and my normal heals)
Force here to heal the target together with me (Embrace macroed together with stay and any of my heals)
Let her heal up others and me patching up the MT (let her do her own thing and I just use my heals normally)

I find it adds a lot of additional options to have an embrace/adlo or embrace/physick macro just for certain situations. Obviously I have her on Obey at all times.

Okay, then allow me to amend the statement slightly to make my stance clearer. It's a bad idea to completely replace your regular Physick with a Physick + Embrace macro. I'm personally just fine with the action of beginning a Physick cast and ordering Eos to Embrace the same target while I'm casting, but I understand why some people might keep both situations on their bar at once.

Oh, and yes. Obey at all times. You won't want her blowing those very useful cooldowns at the beginning of the pull

[Sensu]

I need to say I've just gotten used to spamming the heal <tt> while dpsing, or <2> and <3> for ot and mt. Only stopping the spam when healing the tanks isn't necessary, she can heal who she wants. Unless you want 8 extra macros for embracing who ever you want in your party (just saying, highly ineffective....), you need to leave it how it is.

And like others said before me, keep a normal Physick next to a Physick+embrace one to keep yourself from overhealing, when your Eos/Selene could embrace a target that got a little extra damage from somewhere, or was out of range for the whm heal.

[Sebazy]

D. Your focusing tank heals and she heals randoms. As I understand it, WHM is more suited to heal everyone else and SCH are suited to focus the tanks. Bless you WHM, bless you.

Point D is a royal pain throughout T13 with near fatal raidwide damage often being followed immediately by huge tank damage, getting the fairy the heal the right target at this point is pretty much impossible. If this is the standard SE are going to tune raids to then yeah, an auto embrace toggle would be hugely appreciated <3

[Ceodore]

I don't like the fairy heal either, it's on a longer CD than my heal, meaning spamming the two together doesn't work when trying to heal the MT. They always get out of sync, and I either have to slow my healing, or just let her run wild and forget about her. As for the whole "This class can AOE heal better than this one" Scholar is a class of mitigating damage when it comes to AOE heals, White Mage is a class of recovering from damage. One if proactive, the other if retroactive. Really, both of them have their niches and work better with one another than in groups solely made up of one class or the other. Yes, Scholar excels at the tank healing and White Mage excels at the party healing, but that's not to say that they just flat suck at the role of the other. Two scholars don't work well together because they run over each others buffs, two WHM don't work well because their proactive skill, stoneskin, is single target, and is only based on the target's HP, not their healing done, so targets with less HP get less benefit from it. But anything that helps these two perform better in those niches is great! Fairies need to be better controlled, and a talented Scholar then would have a much easier time then. They deserve it IMO. It just makes everyone's lives easier. And even if a SCH+Fairy heal is stronger than Cure 2, so what? Medica and Medica 2 are beasts!

[VanilleFang]

And even if a SCH+Fairy heal is stronger than Cure 2, so what? Medica and Medica 2 are beasts!

But the issue with that, balance wise, is that it would only cost a fraction of the MP. Why should Cure 2 be so expensive when it would heal less? WHM have issues with MP and SCH don't, so why should SCH get more leniency in regards to HP healed:MP used ratio?

I'm not saying it would make WHM useless, or that it wouldn't be nice, I'm just saying that it would be a little unfair. If SCH gets a buff, then WHM should too. SCH is already strong enough as is, why should they get a direct buff to their (already powerful) fairy? It doesn't really make sense, and isn't really needed.

EDIT: This is strictly talking Physick+Embrace. Not Adlo.

[Ceodore]

But the issue with that, balance wise, is that it would only cost a fraction of the MP. Why should Cure 2 be so expensive when it would heal less? WHM have issues with MP and SCH don't, so why should SCH get more leniency in regards to HP healed:MP used ratio?

I'm not saying it would make WHM useless, or that it wouldn't be nice, I'm just saying that it would be a little unfair. If SCH gets a buff, then WHM should too. SCH is already strong enough as is, why should they get a direct buff to their (already powerful) fairy? It doesn't really make sense, and isn't really needed.

EDIT: This is strictly talking Physick+Embrace. Not Adlo.

The MP issue is already a problem. This isn't anything new. You're comparing a class with a single MOT to a class with a flat MP% recovery skill plus access to damage to MP skill (Which is further augmented by buffs like Cleric Stance). This problem has been around for a while now honestly. I might see MP become an issue for a scholar in maybe later coils, but besides that, a Scholar has always been superb at balancing their MP with little issue. White Mages however have always seemed to have an issue. But that's not what's being addressed here. This is simply us talking about controlling a pet. These summons aren't the Magus Sisters from Final Fantasy 10. You can already control 3/4 skills on them, one more just makes sense, on both summoner and scholar honestly. The issue of MP consumption and usage DOES need to be addressed. But in my opinion, it's much better to raise the capabilities of other classes to match those of a supposedly "Overpowered" class than nerfing of holding back that class. Honestly, I'd much rather see the CD of Shroud of Saints reduced too. (I play all the classes, and this is what I would love to see on CNJ) so that this MP complaint would be pointless.

[Kelya]

As VanilleFang I think this isn't needed.

The tools you already have are enough to make good things, being able to have a Embrace gcd reduced to 2s / a 100% controlled Embrace would just be so cheated in my opinion. For now, it is working like that for a reason, for SCH to have another management to work with than the Aether Flux : managing your fairy to get the more of her.

Honestly if you change one of the main thing that makes SCH work harder, that makes SCH a good SCH... I will feel like the job itself is getting lazy. And I don't want to feel lazy when I'm healing. By lazy you can also understand "too easy" or something like that.

IMO one of the important task of the SCH is about managing the fairy, if you remove it and get the ability to be always casting Embrace on tank then this would be too much easy, above all in the situation where you don't need to use the others Eos buff (most of the time a WHM can handle all the AOE damages alone) because that means you only need to use Embrace, and now, the only spell you have to care about is 100% controlled ! That is very too much for me, and so few challenge there.

[VanilleFang]

The MP issue is already a problem.

That's my point. I'm not saying it's new, or need to be addressed. I am saying that you are asking for the SCH to heal more efficiently when they already heal very efficiently, and you want them to do so with the added benefit of healing more on a single target than a WHM, and at lower MP, more easily. This is an issue because, like I said, WHM already have MP issues so why would you want SCH, who doesn't, to be given leniency in this area? It is some what unfair to think that a SCH needs to heal more easily when their job is already pretty balanced as is. If we were to implement these changes then in late game SCH will be heal spotting better than a WHM, and would be more useful on tank healing (as they already are, slightly). I get Medica/Medica II are beasts but we aren't talking about AoEs, we're talking about single targets.

My main issue with this though is this: SCH are strong enough already, and learning proper control of your pet is what mastering a SCH is all about, so why do you think they need a buff? And why should their job be made easier? Is healing with a SCH that hard? And if you want SCH to get a buff that isn't needed, than tell me what would WHM get buffed to help keep them on par with a SCH? Why would anyone use a WHM end game if a SCH would be so easy to heal bomb with, while not having to worry about their MP or procing Free Cure?