My Eos issue..

[Ceodore]

I don't like the fairy heal either, it's on a longer CD than my heal, meaning spamming the two together doesn't work when trying to heal the MT. They always get out of sync, and I either have to slow my healing, or just let her run wild and forget about her. As for the whole "This class can AOE heal better than this one" Scholar is a class of mitigating damage when it comes to AOE heals, White Mage is a class of recovering from damage. One if proactive, the other if retroactive. Really, both of them have their niches and work better with one another than in groups solely made up of one class or the other. Yes, Scholar excels at the tank healing and White Mage excels at the party healing, but that's not to say that they just flat suck at the role of the other. Two scholars don't work well together because they run over each others buffs, two WHM don't work well because their proactive skill, stoneskin, is single target, and is only based on the target's HP, not their healing done, so targets with less HP get less benefit from it. But anything that helps these two perform better in those niches is great! Fairies need to be better controlled, and a talented Scholar then would have a much easier time then. They deserve it IMO. It just makes everyone's lives easier. And even if a SCH+Fairy heal is stronger than Cure 2, so what? Medica and Medica 2 are beasts!

[VanilleFang]

And even if a SCH+Fairy heal is stronger than Cure 2, so what? Medica and Medica 2 are beasts!

But the issue with that, balance wise, is that it would only cost a fraction of the MP. Why should Cure 2 be so expensive when it would heal less? WHM have issues with MP and SCH don't, so why should SCH get more leniency in regards to HP healed:MP used ratio?

I'm not saying it would make WHM useless, or that it wouldn't be nice, I'm just saying that it would be a little unfair. If SCH gets a buff, then WHM should too. SCH is already strong enough as is, why should they get a direct buff to their (already powerful) fairy? It doesn't really make sense, and isn't really needed.

EDIT: This is strictly talking Physick+Embrace. Not Adlo.

[Ceodore]

But the issue with that, balance wise, is that it would only cost a fraction of the MP. Why should Cure 2 be so expensive when it would heal less? WHM have issues with MP and SCH don't, so why should SCH get more leniency in regards to HP healed:MP used ratio?

I'm not saying it would make WHM useless, or that it wouldn't be nice, I'm just saying that it would be a little unfair. If SCH gets a buff, then WHM should too. SCH is already strong enough as is, why should they get a direct buff to their (already powerful) fairy? It doesn't really make sense, and isn't really needed.

EDIT: This is strictly talking Physick+Embrace. Not Adlo.

The MP issue is already a problem. This isn't anything new. You're comparing a class with a single MOT to a class with a flat MP% recovery skill plus access to damage to MP skill (Which is further augmented by buffs like Cleric Stance). This problem has been around for a while now honestly. I might see MP become an issue for a scholar in maybe later coils, but besides that, a Scholar has always been superb at balancing their MP with little issue. White Mages however have always seemed to have an issue. But that's not what's being addressed here. This is simply us talking about controlling a pet. These summons aren't the Magus Sisters from Final Fantasy 10. You can already control 3/4 skills on them, one more just makes sense, on both summoner and scholar honestly. The issue of MP consumption and usage DOES need to be addressed. But in my opinion, it's much better to raise the capabilities of other classes to match those of a supposedly "Overpowered" class than nerfing of holding back that class. Honestly, I'd much rather see the CD of Shroud of Saints reduced too. (I play all the classes, and this is what I would love to see on CNJ) so that this MP complaint would be pointless.

[VanilleFang]

The MP issue is already a problem.

That's my point. I'm not saying it's new, or need to be addressed. I am saying that you are asking for the SCH to heal more efficiently when they already heal very efficiently, and you want them to do so with the added benefit of healing more on a single target than a WHM, and at lower MP, more easily. This is an issue because, like I said, WHM already have MP issues so why would you want SCH, who doesn't, to be given leniency in this area? It is some what unfair to think that a SCH needs to heal more easily when their job is already pretty balanced as is. If we were to implement these changes then in late game SCH will be heal spotting better than a WHM, and would be more useful on tank healing (as they already are, slightly). I get Medica/Medica II are beasts but we aren't talking about AoEs, we're talking about single targets.

My main issue with this though is this: SCH are strong enough already, and learning proper control of your pet is what mastering a SCH is all about, so why do you think they need a buff? And why should their job be made easier? Is healing with a SCH that hard? And if you want SCH to get a buff that isn't needed, than tell me what would WHM get buffed to help keep them on par with a SCH? Why would anyone use a WHM end game if a SCH would be so easy to heal bomb with, while not having to worry about their MP or procing Free Cure?

[Ceodore]

That's my point. I'm not saying it's new, or need to be addressed. I am saying that you are asking for the SCH to heal more efficiently when they already heal very efficiently, and you want them to do so with the added benefit of healing more on a single target than a WHM, and at lower MP, more easily. This is an issue because, like I said, WHM already have MP issues so why would you want SCH, who doesn't, to be given leniency in this area? It is some what unfair to think that a SCH needs to heal more easily when their job is already pretty balanced as is. If we were to implement these changes then in late game SCH will be heal spotting better than a WHM, and would be more useful on tank healing (as they already are, slightly). I get Medica/Medica II are beasts but we aren't talking about AoEs, we're talking about single targets.

My main issue with this though is this: SCH are strong enough already, and learning proper control of your pet is what mastering a SCH is all about, so why do you think they need a buff? And why should their job be made easier? Is healing with a SCH that hard? And if you want SCH to get a buff that isn't needed, than tell me what would WHM get buffed to help keep them on par with a SCH? Why would anyone use a WHM end game if a SCH would be so easy to heal bomb with, while not having to worry about their MP or procing Free Cure?

Read the rest of my post instead of the first sentence, I already said that MP issues need to be addressed and even stated what I would like to see White Mages get:

Honestly, I'd much rather see the CD of Shroud of Saints reduced too. (I play all the classes, and this is what I would love to see on CNJ) so that this MP complaint would be pointless.

Shroud of Saints, on a lower CD (I'd like to see 60 seconds) spamming those robust AOE heals would be easy. Or, if you wanted to change to spamming stronger single target healing, Cure II would be a drop in the bucket. Plus, with all the AOE healing, they really should have a means to more often reduce their enmity generation, which has occasionally been a slightly annoying issue in some raids.

EDIT: MAYBE you couldn't SPAM Medica, but continually keeping up Medica 2 and using Cure 2 spam, would not be out of the question.

[Kelya]

Shroud of Saints, on a lower CD (I'd like to see 60 seconds) spamming those robust AOE heals would be easy. Or, if you wanted to change to spamming stronger single target healing, Cure II would be a drop in the bucket. Plus, with all the AOE healing, they really should have a means to more often reduce their enmity generation, which has occasionally been a slightly annoying issue in some raids.

EDIT: MAYBE you couldn't SPAM Medica, but continually keeping up Medica 2 and using Cure 2 spam, would not be out of the question.

Why would you want lower CD and all of this ? Why would you make WHM easier ? Why would you remove the challenge of the job ?

Spamming Cure 2 or "being able to cast more cure 2" is not the WHM job. I don't want a reduced CD to be able to cheat on my MP/treat management, do you ?

This is so much un-needed and would break the job

[Ceodore]

I guess I'm just looking at it too much from the perspective of heavy raiding content where healers on both sides are relying so much on HAVING to have a bard along for songs plus funneling so much effort into piety and still running out of MP mid fight, even when things are going well.

[Kelya]

If things are going well, you have no issues with MP even without stacking Piety on raiding content.

In progression, where you will stack a few more Piety if things go wrong, yeah you'll have but it's progression, it's normal. After that you have 0 issues most of the time so I still don't see the point