Who is Optional – A Question of Consumer Value

[Shougun]

Lol I've never actually played minecraft. I just gathered there's no actual objectives and it's basically digital free form legos with added functionalities. Had no idea there were actual objectives of any kind lol. But generally I agree. But when it comes to definitions, it just makes me sense to use the universal or broader definitions. When people take words and apply their own personal meanings in discussion (especially a text medium in a large group like forums) all it does is convoluted and confuse the issue making honest debate nigh impossible. I hate debates where 'everyone's right because we're using free form definitions' that's not helpful and does nothing but make people talk in circles. We can't all have our personal definitions of p2w and then have a rational discussion if cash shop is p2w or not. It just gets ridiculous (as we've seen).

And by actually being specific we (at least the 2 of us) have come to realize we don't actually fundamentally disagree and can actually develop the conversation instead of just yell how wrong the other is louder. Wish more people would.

There are some quests you can pick up from the npc towns, I think that is the easiest way to argue objective, but there is also some crafted armor and tools that have tiers of progression. You need to move along the tiers to effectively reach the next (and certain materials literally require a specific tier). Though, you're right that its not the strongest objective based game lol (since it is so free form you may argue that building vanity can be a form of success and objective but.. yeah more in the realm of opinions now).

I think some of the more memorable conversations are not emphatic agreement on some game idea but earnest attempt at conversation, the patient, conscious desire to have honest communication, which can work around misunderstandings or disagreements to at least a mutual place of knowing.

I try not to put too much time into the forums (post count seems to sell me out sometimes) but I'll be happy to look for constructive talks with you when I can muster something intelligible on a shared topic

Bit more to thread, I'm not a fan of the shop but I find the most annoying not optional option is the two-seater mount. You can't really have that feature in the game without going through some sort of pay wall. There is not a native feature for this.. My two grains of rice to add on the mountain. SE, at some point.. <3?