Which classes do you think need adjustments?

[StouterTaru]

The exact same movement restrictions black mage have also applies to summoner. Except that Summoners don't have Aetherial Manipulation to cross great distances within one GCD window.

They're not the exact same, over half of SMN spell casts are instant vs around 10% of BLM casts.

AM can't be used in the middle of a cast, so you're going to have to be moving out of the death zone anyway, making it extremely situational.

Nailed it, and anyone who tries to argue burst damage is invalid, what am i bursting down a lvl 50 mob in the open world? No, I raid coils and the fights are over 10 minutes long, all that matters is sustained overall dps, utility, and survivability which the Dragoon comes in last in each category.

So there are zero times when an add needs to be blown up asap, or a boss needs a phase push at a specific times in coil?

[Jollyy5]

So there are zero times when an add needs to be blown up asap, or a boss needs a phase push at a specific times in coil?

People always keep saying how DRG burst is godlike, which it really isn't, as a greased up Monk can outburst you, which they usually are since adds tend to show up while they are greased and ready to go more often than not, Bard can also get to max DPS faster. However, DRGs will have the highest burst if they have Blood for Blood available, but that would mean sitting on it until mobs/adds show up, which will hurt our already unimpressive sustained DPS even more.

[StouterTaru]

People always keep saying how DRG burst is godlike, which it really isn't, as a greased up Monk can outburst you, which they usually are since adds tend to show up while they are greased and ready to go more often than not, Bard can also get to max DPS faster. However, DRGs will have the highest burst if they have Blood for Blood available, but that would mean sitting on it until mobs/adds show up, which will hurt our already unimpressive sustained DPS even more.

I never said it was godlike, just a step above any other dps, the same way that monk dps on a training dummy is a step above dragoon. If you up dragoon training dummy dps to that of monk or higher, then it would be godlike. Dragoon is getting a buff in just over a week, wait for that before you start saying it needs further adjustment.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

They're not the exact same, over half of SMN spell casts are instant vs around 10% of BLM casts.

AM can't be used in the middle of a cast, so you're going to have to be moving out of the death zone anyway, making it extremely situational.

It's roughly the same. If you know the mechanics, you can save a firestarter proc to for movement. Or depending on the content, you can use one to move prematurely to your destination.

Dodging AoEs mid-cast also applies to summoners, mind you. With or without aetherial manipulation. For both classes it means dps loss. Although the dps loss on summoners vary far more than for Black Mage.