Exactly how much more do you expect us to pay?

[DefendPopPunk]

You just made me think of this issue in a whole new light. Im starting to think the cash shop items should have their own development budget and only come from revenue generated from the cash shop.

Yoshi-P already said that's where some of the revenue would go: towards more vanity stuff and other high dollar costs, like moving servers to EU. I think he said this at the London fan fest, can't recall for sure though.

[Coatl]

Doesn't change the fact that cash-shop items are still optional add-ons. In no way that it is gating content progression or giving added advantage to people purchasing it.

Every single thing in this game is optional, and this includes gear progression. In fact, Some of the content's longevity is not due to gear but due to aesthetics and glamour. EX Primals are run not for their gear but for the ponies that they drop. People on my server have T9 farms with the High allagan coat of fending on reserve. And the stats on that coat are so garbage that if stats were really all that mattered no one would be wasting their time farming it.

fact is that there are no gears which affect stats in the cash-shop. Can we stop with that assumption and stick to the fact that the items in the cash-shop are only fluffs?

And if there were i130 gear in cash shop I think you would be surprised how little people would care. I mean, if you can beat T13 with i110 what does it matter if you can just buy better gear for 10$? It's optional, you don't need it to beat t13, it would just help. Optional.

[Waliel]

I'd like to subscribe to this thread, but I'm afraid of it costing money.

Humour me for a moment here. What if SE would have never made Sleipnir, random minions, gold plan for weddings and what have you if the cash shop didn't exist?

i've been doing the Odin FATE since 2.0 was released. Sleipnir is obviously in the game data, now they are releasing instanced fights against Odin, Sleipnir should be a drop from the fight.

people have been asking for instanced Odin and Behemoth fights for months now since the lag-fest that are those FATEs never do them any justice.

since a version of Behemoth was added to CT, more people was expecting another version of Odin eventually. the expectation always was to earn that in a fight.

it was kind of weird that the Behemoth mount wasn't earned either.

people have also been asking for dual character mounts for a long time.

Thanks, but that doesn't answer my question at all. With your logic every boss should drop their mount or "themselves" as a mount for reward. Things being in game data doesn't mean anything for this question.

[Meshico]

[QUOTE=SendohJin;2615365]not sure what that means. there's a demand for housing, there's a demand for glamour prisms before either of those were added in patches, why are those not sold in the cash shop?

Not to get too derailed but, they made something, then the demand (purchasing) of these items, encourages more of this type of thing.

I hope this makes sense so here it goes: Just because it doesn't exist, doesn't mean you don't know you want/need/must-have it.

[Roris]

But one really quick thing for people who are just sick of it...something like this would not exist if the demand did not exist.

The thing is no one really demanded them, neither back in the 1.0 days or since ARR's launch. Sure people asked for Fantasia, name changes and server transfers, they're basic services in every MMO and not all of them handle appearance changes with an in game item. Cash shops aren't a basic MMO service, as proved by SE's other still operating MMOs, FFXI and DQX.

A demand can be manufactured after all, just put stuff for sale and see what sticks, loyal/fanboyish players are almost guaranteed to buy it. Another way to do this is to provide small samples for free, like the free Fantasias or all the vanity items, and then start charging for them.

[Tupsi]

The rub of it is, traditionally that's why people pay a subscription fee.

Apparantly some people seem to think the subscription fee is just a key that unlocks the door and everything ontop of that should cost extra.

Because the terms literally state that the sub fee is "the key that unlocks the door" an everything else is up to SE's discretion. You can't play XIV unless you click: "I agree/I Accept." You don't even own your character, which is why you can't do much if SE decides to uphold the "we can get rid of your character/account whenever we want if deemed fit" because you agreed to it. They likely won't (very few companies do) but largely you pay a sub fee to access the game just like you pay a monthly fee to access the internet and everything else after you gain access is up to x company(ies.)

[SendohJin]

I'd like to subscribe to this thread, but I'm afraid of it costing money.

Humour me for a moment here. What if SE would have never made Sleipnir, random minions, gold plan for weddings and what have you if the cash shop didn't exist?

i've been doing the Odin FATE since 2.0 was released. Sleipnir is obviously in the game data, now they are releasing instanced fights against Odin, Sleipnir should be a drop from the fight.

people have been asking for instanced Odin and Behemoth fights for months now since the lag-fest that are those FATEs never do them any justice.

since a version of Behemoth was added to CT, more people was expecting another version of Odin eventually. the expectation always was to earn that in a fight.

it was kind of weird that the Behemoth mount wasn't earned either.

people have also been asking for dual character mounts for a long time.

[SendohJin]

Stop, just stop. You're reaching and you know it. If you're watching a foreign movie and it's in a DIFFERENT LANGUAGE, you NEED the subtitles to understand. Thats a necessity. If you're playing the game and there are items in the cash shop, that are not GAME BREAKING, thats a desire. Lets not muddle the line between a need and a want. Distinguish the two.

that's insanely difficult to do in a videogame. nobody needs anything besides a stable connection.

[Zuellni]

I'm sooo ready to buy booster packs for my Gold Foil Kefka Triple Triad card. I have lots of preloaded crysta that I need ways to spend lol. For those that can't afford to or refuse to pay-to-ride, sorry but good bye!

[Riepah]

Stop, just stop. You're reaching and you know it. If you're watching a foreign movie and it's in a DIFFERENT LANGUAGE, you NEED the subtitles to understand. Thats a necessity. If you're playing the game and there are items in the cash shop, that are not GAME BREAKING, thats a desire. Lets not muddle the line between a need and a want. Distinguish the two.

Define "GAME BREAKING", then. NOTHING they could ever sell is truly "GAME BREAKING". So what if they sell ilvl 130 gear? So what, even, if they sold ilvl 140 gear? It's OPTIONAL, you can play the game just fine without it. Just because it messes with your desire for progression instead of someone else's desire for vanity or fluff, doesn't mean it's any more or less optional or "GAME BREAKING".

Don't tell people to distinguish "need" and "want" when you can't do it yourself. Nothing in this game is "need", everything is "want". And your personal "want" is not more important than another person's "want".