Women and Armor!

[Korilynn]

There was a time when there was no impractical gear in this game. They're moving away from that.

Just because other games set a low bar, doesn't mean that's the bar to judge against.

I laugh when I hear this. Impractical armor. Is it wise to go face to face in a cloth robe (that covers all your skin) when facing a sword wielder in armor? Where's the practicality in that? One swing and your bleeding!

[Naelle]

I'm not a fan of the skimpy armors and what-not either, but it doesn't directly effect me. Sure, it's annoying to see the tank in coil running around with glamoured swimwear but not because "omg I can see her (nonexistant)butt!", rather because it breaks my view of how the game is. My view; One of millions that deserves no more and no less than anyone else's.

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

So many people are missing the OP's point. The OP isn't complaining about the presence of revealing armor. OP is complaining about why females wearing the exact same gear as males, show more skin. The DRG body was used as a good example.

[raelgun]

So many people are missing the OP's point. The OP isn't complaining about the presence of revealing armor. OP is complaining about why females wearing the exact same gear as males, show more skin. The DRG body was used as a good example.

They were probably made with feedback from female cosplayers which some of the armour has so far, and they prob thought what they would wear, lets not beat around the bush, theres far more cosplayers that use costumes that show more skin then the other way around.
Yes really not joking, some of the armour was made with cosplay in mind and was developed along side cosplayers in the designs.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Guys, seriously.

"Why is the same armor more revealing for female characters?" should not even be a serious question.

The answer is simply "fanservice". Guys LIKE seeing scantily clad catgirls. It's as simple as that. Call it sexist or whatever, I don't care - but yeah, generally speaking male humans are way more visual than females, and this means that they are more vulnerable to tits and butts and legs and necks (yes, necks - Japan loves sexy necks).

This is all there is to it. I, for one, rolled a Miqo'te because of nekomimi and general cuteness. Having her resembling Gimli is not exactly what I would like.

So yes, more cleavage, more panty shots, more absolute territory, and more necks. Thanks.

[Ophie-Mio]

The answer is simply "fanservice". Guys LIKE seeing scantily clad catgirls. It's as simple as that. Call it sexist or whatever, I don't care - but yeah, generally speaking male humans are way more visual than females, and this means that they are more vulnerable to tits and butts and legs and necks (yes, necks - Japan loves sexy necks).

Guys can like whatever but that doesn't mean they are the sole populace of this game. As a female, I prefer the option to do whatever I please. No, I don't appreciate the skimpy outfits being forced on me at lvl 44 (and having it be unable to be glamoured cause of lack of a lvl 50) and I don't appreciate the belly window of the DRG AF. I'm all for women sexuality and them choosing what they want. I don't call them slutty for what they wear but I prefer the choice to dress skimpy.

To me, when I was a lvl 44 and forced into the Coliseum gear, panty shots without my consent to the outfit were not considered sexy. But if I wanted the best gear, I needed to run around in a skimpy bra and underwear essentially.

The coatee? I wish. Even after I fantasia'd into a lala, I had to deal with the stupid amount of cleavage when I needed to wear it. Give me the option of being fully covered on my childlike potato body.

So yeah, I don't care if men like scantily clad catgirls...that's not the correct answer to any of this. Why should any person care what men individually like when it comes to dressing their characters?

[Xhominid]

Guys can like whatever but that doesn't mean they are the sole populace of this game. As a female, I prefer the option to do whatever I please. No, I don't appreciate the skimpy outfits being forced on me at lvl 44 (and having it be unable to be glamoured cause of lack of a lvl 50) and I don't appreciate the belly window of the DRG AF. I'm all for women sexuality and them choosing what they want. I don't call them slutty for what they wear but I prefer the choice to dress skimpy.

Hold the phone, FORCED? FORCED?! Since when? Since freaking when at anytime at 44 are you forced to wear Subligar gear? Since when is there no further option for you to wear ANYTHING else than Subligar and fanservice outfits at 44 at? Please tell me this because my Monk at 44 barely wore ANYTHING past the Subligar top and that was because I actually LIKED the damn thing and didn't bother to get something to different, which you easily can from Market Boards, typical stores, etc.
If anything, this game has far too little skimpy outfits for those who choose to want to wear them. Remember, you is just you, stop acting like you are suddenly others.

[TheCurls]

No, I don't appreciate the skimpy outfits being forced on me at lvl 44 (and having it be unable to be glamoured cause of lack of a lvl 50) and I don't appreciate the belly window of the DRG AF.

http://xivdb.com/?item/3185/Felt-Robe

[Felis]

No, I don't appreciate the skimpy outfits being forced on me at lvl 44 (and having it be unable to be glamoured cause of lack of a lvl 50)

http://xivdb.com/?item/3207/Buccaneer%27s-Shirt


http://xivdb.com/?item/3219/Harlequin%27s-Acton


I don't know what you mean with skimpy. They look normal to me.

[Aegis]

That's not the point. Why is a catgirl race present in the first place? I am pretty sure you understand how popular the concept of "catgitls" is, especially for asian anime fans. And guess what - most of the time they are "sexualized in a cutesy way", just like most idols. Miqo'te is a fanservice race, cut and dry - ever wondered why Mithras and 1.0 Miqo'tes were female only?

Show me some fan service gear from XI or early XIV then. That shouldn't be too hard, should it?

Hey, if a female cosplayer (most of them, it seems) wants to dress like that, who are we to limit their freedom? No one if forcing them, please be aware of this.

Why are you arguing about cosplayers? They have nothing to do with gender dimorphic gear. They can choose to cosplay in DRG AF without the belly window, female characters in this game can't.

You are the one who brought up the word "objectify" in the first place.

Because that's what it is, I don't understand why what we are saying isn't getting through to you. You seem intelligent and articulate enough. Is it just that damaging to your sense of self to accept that just maybe you don't care about others (in this case women) as much as you thought you did? To not accept that somethign you like is actually degrading to them?

I just stated that, of course, you can't put Zettai Ryouiki on a male char. I mean, you can, but it would be disgusting. On females it's cute. I still don't see what's wrong with that, it's the same reason in real life girls use skirts and high heels and makeup. Is that "objectifying" as well? Are girls "objectifying" themselves? Nietzsche kinda said this actually, but those were old times I guess.

What if they were not allowed to leave the house without high heels and makeup? Still no problem? It's the removal of choice. Female character's can't wear a coatee without their boobs hanging out. They can't wear DRG AF without showing their midriff or Ninja AF without showing cleavage.

Oh come on. I agree with you on this, but THAT kind of equality has been reached ages ago, now. Let's not compare vote rights to Miqo'te clothes, please.

Really? You really believe women are paid the same as men? It's refusing to see the problem which perpetuates the problem. Perhaps you should consider if you aren't being a little wilfully obtuse. It's not a weakness to re-evaluate your position after arguments from others.

http://xivdb.com/?item/3207/Buccaneer%27s-Shirt


http://xivdb.com/?item/3219/Harlequin%27s-Acton


I don't know what you mean with skimpy. They look normal to me.

Now show me the female DRG AF without a belly window. Or a Miqo'te in a Coatee set that doesn't look like a pharmaceutical sales rep.

Your whole gripe has been about revealing clothing being prevalent and slutty. I'm -glad- men find the female form attractive and enjoy looking at it. If they didn't, the human race would dwindle to extinction. Is that what you want? Wishing women to be covered completely is just as objectifying as saying women should be scantily clad.

Perhaps you haven't understood my 'gripe' or read my posts, one or the other.

I have stated repeatedly that I have no problem with sexy clothing in game or out, but my problem is that female characters cannot choose to have all the same gear that male characters do without having to have it 'sexified' to borow a fellow poster's phrase.