Poetic (Ironworks) Gear

[PWilson]

So, people are starting to get more pieces of the Ironworks gear.

I'm not sold on it. It's big on Parry, and AFAIK, my PLD Block rate is checked before parry, making it kind of useless for PLD's. Probably great for WAR's, though?

I have no real grounds for complaint, as I'm personally moving up from i90 gear to i120, but I'm interested in some broader consensus.

[SirTaint]

Just keep purchasing left side gear. (STR+VIT) Unless your group is clearing t11 then you can get the i130 shield which is a nice upgrade for 390 tomes.

Head,Feet,Belt will be BiS once they are i130. But if you aren't doing FCoB then any left side piece will be a solid upgrade.

[Zdenka]

PLD actually has a lot of options this go around depending on how they specifically want to gear themselves.

Theres a parry build, det/parry, crit, crit/det that you can attempt to gear yourself around.

The final set that's most likely the most optimal for tanking (DET/Parry), disregarding the fact that you don't "really" need parry uses the ironwork gloves/legs/boots for example. If you are totally ignoring parry all together then you're most likely only going to get the head/feet/belt like mentioned above. I think that is for the crit/det build iirc.

The only sort of piece that really isn't great is the body I think, its really only useful if you are just gungho stacking parry and having 630 parry is way over the top ;p Though your parry rate would be close to 35%? with that much I think

[Synestra]

The only sort of piece that really isn't great is the body

Unless you are not already farming T13 IW body is not bad investment because it might last extremely long depending on progress and RNG.

[Canadane]

I can do this with it,
http://youtu.be/s_HgMwd09Lg

So it gets a pass in my books.

[Levis]

I can do this with it,
http://youtu.be/s_HgMwd09Lg

So it gets a pass in my books.

Lol at first I didn't even notice you doing the different emotions... Thanks for the laugh

[Arkine]

Man if the 2 blue lines on the helms were eyes or any other design that helm would have been cool to the max.

[keroo]

Why hate parry? Actually you can STR bonus stats and put 1 STR accessory ring. Make it most parry then others on DET and ACC. 600 parry makes you parry 45% of the time plus your shield block for physical damage.

[TheodoreMcIntyre]

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I don't see how that makes it really useless.
Assuming that this is the correct order the stats are checked in, it doesn't make parry useless. It just increases the chance that you'll mitigate damage overall. (Ex; 10% chance to block + 5% chance to parry = 15% chance to mitigate damage)
The only real case for it being detrimental would be if Parry were checked first, resulting in less mitigation if parry rolls a success, but that would be silly game design and so I don't think SE did it that way.
I think most people agree that Parry's main obstacle as a stat isn't the order it's checked in, but rather its scaling.

As far as the Ironworks gear goes, I really like it. I like having Parry heavy gear, even if it doesn't make a /huge/ difference, I still do notice myself parrying more, and that makes me happy. And the rest of the secondary stats aren't awful either. Not too much skill speed/accuracy, unlike the whole unweathered noct set which had almost 4x the skill speed and a little too much accuracy for the time, I think. The augmented Ironworks set is alot better than the unweathered noct set, I think.

[Kuwagami]

Assuming that this is the correct order the stats are checked in, it doesn't make parry useless. It just increases the chance that you'll mitigate damage overall. (Ex; 10% chance to block + 5% chance to parry = 15% chance to mitigate damage)

that's not really true (though it may be arguing meaningless difference)

in your example, you have 10% chance to block (90% hits resulting unmitigated) then 5% chance to parry the remaining hits, which results in 4.5% effective parry rate. While it doesn't matter for low numbers, it can result in a noticeable difference later on (30% block and 35% parry results in only 24.5% effective parry rate, 54% mitigation on hits when you could expect 65%). That's the main reason why a parry build is more effective on a WAR than a PLD considering raw numbers.

Now does it really matters ? Well, not that much. After all, you're gaining more from blocking than you're losing on the alternative (parrying) so overall your mitigation improves, and is better than the one of a WAR.

general consensus is "Don't stack it but don't refuse it either".

Parry > skill speed

You wouldn't want Parry either, to be fair. Crit/Det/Acc, Det/Crit, Det/Acc, or Crit/Acc.

yeah of course. But if for some reason you're not going to put accuracy on it (considering the poor's novus without IV), at least put parry on it Q_Q But I wouldn't put parry on my relic anyway.