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    Ah I missed starting a thread at the start of the event for Live Letter Discussion, so lets just use this one.

    Links for those that need it:
    LIve Letter - Youtube
    Live Letter - Twitch
    Multi Twitch with Live Translation by Cygneakrou
    Live Letter Translation Doc by Cygneakrou
    Official translated question thread
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    I can imagine ss2 having a 30 second run like succor
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    Ooh he held up a bunch of screenshots of an airship workshop in a basement
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    I can see the tp nerf on ninjas, but Potency nerf? wtf, monks are still top dps right now, why the hell change potency? specially with dragoon buffs coming ninjas will be the lowest melee. GG SE, GG.
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    Lexia Lightress
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azell View Post
    I can see the tp nerf on ninjas, but Potency nerf? wtf, monks are still top dps right now, why the hell change potency? specially with dragoon buffs coming ninjas will be the lowest melee. GG SE, GG.
    They going to make ninja fight with bards I can see it now "you suck the bard doing more damage then you"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azell View Post
    I can see the tp nerf on ninjas, but Potency nerf? wtf, monks are still top dps right now, why the hell change potency? specially with dragoon buffs coming ninjas will be the lowest melee. GG SE, GG.
    Well I've always thought that "MNK is higher DPS than NIN" more of people talking out of their rear instead of doing actual tests, considering people started saying that from day 1, perhaps SE has a real number.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alukah View Post
    Well I've always thought that "MNK is higher DPS than NIN" more of people talking out of their rear instead of doing actual tests, considering people started saying that from day 1, perhaps SE has a real number.
    Or they're doing something completely silly, we have no way of telling...until after the patch is out. Though as we all know, it'll take them until 2.5 or 2.55 to rectify it if it was a mistake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    Or they're doing something completely silly, we have no way of telling...until after the patch is out. Though as we all know, it'll take them until 2.5 or 2.55 to rectify it if it was a mistake.
    I think it's more of a theoretical DPS vs practical DPS, you know your DPS will vary greatly depending on the mechanics you have to deal with, perhaps on paper NIN has higher (or the highest) potential DPS.

    Actually I'm pretty sure it's this, in the live letter pretty much said the potential DPS was set high because of gameplay difficulty, as in they didn't intend many people to achieve that (just like monk) but many people are achieving it, so they're lowering the upper limit.

    It honestly didn't make any sense for NIN to be on par (or higher) than MNK even if it's on paper, when they have to do much less to maintain constant dmg, huton and venom uptime is 100% even during mechs, while MNKs can lose GL3, plus MNK needs GL3 for dmg buff while NIN already got the same dmg buff through increased base action potency.

    That class was too unbalanced IMO.
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    Oh well, we'll see a week after the update when everyone is back on MNK and DRG. No one is going to touch NIN with a 10 foot pole if the potential dps is lower than the other melee dps, it's just not worth it for the amount of effort NIN takes.

    (If you think Huton and venom is the only thing NIN needs to max their DPS, you're delusional.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alukah View Post
    I think it's more of a theoretical DPS vs practical DPS, you know your DPS will vary greatly depending on the mechanics you have to deal with, perhaps on paper NIN has higher (or the highest) potential DPS.
    That would be my bet too as the newer coil fights seem to force melee to miss a lot of positional bonuses, so ninja may have been overperforming because of that.

    What I'm most interested in is the Stoneskin II. I wonder if it means SE is finally breaking away from the overly rigid "Every class must have exactly X skills and each skill must only be learned at level Y" regardless of if the class would be more fun/interesting with an additional skill or two.
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