Thanks for removing all fun in crafting.

[TheodoreMcIntyre]

Lol u can just buy them, they are like 800k on odin. For someone interested in getting a supra....that shouldn't even strike you as a lot.

You don't get to tell people what they consider "alot" or how much money they should have. You can take that and go away, if that's how you're going to be.

[Ellatrix]

You don't get to tell people what they consider "alot" or how much money they should have. You can take that and go away, if that's how you're going to be.

If you can't afford to straight up buy a Supra, you don't have enough gil to act as seed money to craft 4* anyway, thus you don't need a Supra.

[TheodoreMcIntyre]

If you can't afford to straight up buy a Supra, you don't have enough gil to act as seed money to craft 4* anyway, thus you don't need a Supra.

Hey, you know who gets to decide how much money I should have or what I should be allowed to get?
Not you.
You are totally uninvolved in that.
Go away.
Shoo.

[Ellatrix]

Hey, you know who gets to decide how much money I should have or what I should be allowed to get?
Not you.
You are totally uninvolved in that.
Go away.
Shoo.

If you don't have gil, generate the items yourself. If you can't accept that part of RNG is part of high level crafting now, stop crafting. If you can't afford for the synth you're doing to blow up in your face, you shouldn't be attempting that synth.

Sorry truth is hard.

[TheodoreMcIntyre]

If you can't accept that part of RNG is part of high level crafting now, stop crafting.

You clearly do not see anything being posted here as anything other than "Wah wah gimme stuff" so either read the posts or expect nobody to care what you're saying.
Also
You know who gets to tell me what I can do in this game?
Not you.
I pay just as much as money as you do to play
If I think they screwed the pooch on something, I have a right to complain.
The only one that needs to deal with it here is you and other likeminded folk.
You clearly do not give a damn what anyone here has to say.
You do not get to tell me what I should and should not be doing while playing.
You have absolutely 0 ground to do that.
I decide what content I do or do not like
I decide what I want to complain about.
I decide what I think needs to be changed.
You don't.
If I decide I think something should be nerfed because it was either poorly designed or doesn't mesh well with new stuff, I'm gonna say so, and the only thing you can do is deal with it.
Because I'm not gonna stop crafting just because you tell me I don't have enough money.
You do not get to make that decision and you never will.
And while I respect your right to your opinion, if you're telling me I just shouldn't attempt something because you don't think I'm hardcore enough, I am going to wholly ignore your opinion.
Because your opinion is patronizing and awful.

[Ellatrix]

excessive use of newline

I happen to like the way crafting is now, with an element of risk that means HQ is no longer 100% in addition to having to work to unlock new recipes. I'm offering a counter that things are fine the way they are.

Also, based on your lodestone you aren't even capable of doing 3* (at least on LTW, and based on your not-max melded accessories, not on any other craft either...) so why do you care about mastercraft demi again? They are only required for meeting 4* requirements.

[TheodoreMcIntyre]

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Thank you for ignoring literally everything I said and continuing to be patronizing for absolutely no good reason at all.
No, my LTW isn't capable of 3 stars. Every other craft is. I decided not to Artisan my LTW because nothing LTW makes was appealing to me.
I want the Mastercraft Demimateria because I want the new Artisan gear and to get Supras for my CUL and WVR, which very much are capable of 3 star crafting.
So don't assume I don't need them, or don't want them, not that it's relevant anyway.

with an element of risk that means HQ is no longer 100%

It's not the recipes I'm complaining about, and if you had bothered to actually read a single post of mine you'd know that.
It's getting the demimateria to get the gear to try and get back on the steep crafting curve that SE has put in that I'm concerned with. Because after I hit 3 star on most of my crafts, I stopped caring and got behind with advancing them.
Now I would like to get back to it, but I can't because the implementation of the Demimateria and Desynthesis system was so horribly thought out by SE that it's created an awful wall that's a serious, expensive pain in the ass to get over with no signs of nerfing it appropriately like they do other content and I don't even know why I bother typing this because you're not even reading it anyway.

[Sibyll]

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I agree that the i70 off hand and Supra exist, more or less, only to do 4 star. However, the time/gil required to get to 4* compared to the much lacking market for crafted gear means there is little motivation to get to 4*.

You have an already niche market that is going to be even worse because fewer crafters will further inflate prices.

Also, I liked the idea that you have to start focusing on specific classes to go 4* rather than getting all 8 of them there. This would be all good if it weren't for the fact that the barrier keeping you from getting all your classes to 4* is surmounted by gil. The 50 HQ turn-ins for artisan tools was just done better.

Honestly if their goal is to keep people from being 8/8 4* I'd rather they just link the Mastercrafts to the class that obtained them (ex: Mastercraft (Blacksmith) is obtained by desynthing as a blacksmith and can only get the BSM supra) so that you'd have to advance the same crafts as your desynth, while also making Mastercrafts unsellabe/untradable so that people had to actually go through the grind themselves.

This is part of the problem with allowing everyone to level every craft while also insisting that crafted gear inferior to raid gear without sinking absurd amounts of gil/time into getting materia to meld them.

It takes me about 10 minutes of crafting to make enough to get 1 matercraft (return on sales typically within 24hr). If you can't figure out how to make that amount in 1 hour with the multiple 3* you claim to have, yes you're lazy and the rut you're stuck in is entirely on you.

So if everyone is buying MCDs off the board then no one would be getting them from desynth. Your logic makes no sense.

[giantslayer]

If you can't afford to straight up buy a Supra, you don't have enough gil to act as seed money to craft 4* anyway, thus you don't need a Supra.

She does have a point. I did the math on 4-star crafting a long time ago and came to the conclusion that not only did I not have enough gil to go all the way with it, but it also wasn't worth that much gil if I did have it. I've been waiting patiently, gearing through poetics, and making money as if 4-star didn't exist.